October 5th, 2013 By Pedro Fernandez

Klitschko Better In Suit Than Boxing Trunks

Klitschko Better In Suit Than Trunks


Lincoln, CA- As I watched the Wladimir Klitschko-Alexander Povetkin fight, er ,mismatch, I came away with two things that I think that are quite obvious. The first being, there needs to be a “super heavyweight” division. Secondly, to say Larry Holmes, Ali or George Foreman couldn’t beat the 6’7 Ukrainian and current World heavyweight champion is farcical. The holding of the much bigger champion was so blatant and prevalent that it zapped Povetkin’s strength, making yet another Klitschko fight a “stinker.”


Pushing, leaning, holding, this guy might be the best of today, sad as it is true, but Wladimir Klitschko is just not as good as he is big! There were other big guys who were lummox types, Primo Carnera for one, that were huge. The only difference is that Wladimir does have some “fencing” skills, notice I did not say boxing or fighting.


After nine, I had it 90-77 Klitschko, but there was nobody in my room here in Lincoln, some 25 miles from Sacramento, the California capital, saying anything other than, “This guy’s the champ?”  They were watching Povetkin struggle against a guy who merely used his size to beat him.  Although I did not see this going the 12-round route, as it did, it was like watching Porno with people wearing clothes, meaning this HBO broadcast could not get any more non-interesting.


Finally in round 11, the lame referee took a point away from Klitschko, but that was 10 1/2 rounds too late. Going in, we knew Povetkin, although unbeaten, probably lost to cruiserweight (200 lb.) Marco Huck in February 2012. That being said, I have to say that all of you Klitschko fans should go to bed tonight happy because your guy won, but he stunk the joint out so bad the smell the manur coming through the TV screen.


I scored it like Harold Lederman’s HBO card, 11-1 in rounds and 119-104.  Official scores were the same, 119-104 was the score put forth by all three judges. Klitschko is 61-3, 50 KOs, while Povetkin loses for the first time “officially” with his record being 28-1, 18 KOs. Referee Luis Pabon should be arrested for impersonating a fair and just official!

Pedro Fernandez


  1. Wlad has one legit opponent, Vitali. That ain’t gona happen. Every other opponent jumped ship ten years ago. They are in the UFC or somewhere else today. Boxing is a JOKE!

    The title Heavyweight Champion of The World was laid to rest when Lennox Lewis retired… I know Pedro was never a big Lennox guy but I do know this. Pedro would give anything to have Lennox Lewis back in the mix today.

    Lennox Lewis retired as HW Champion of the world and when he did, he was complimentary to those who came before him and IMO speaking specifically to the Klitschkos when he said that the sport needed to determine the heir of his throne.

    Lennox Lewis gave that speech after he retired in 2003. Boxing, to this day, still has no HW Champion.

    Jack Dunne on October 5th, 2013 at 3:10 PM
  2. There doesn’t need to be a super heavyweight division. All that is gonna happen is that the somewhat in shape, mostly out of shape heavies that are around now will be even more out of shape because they will want to fight in the super heavyweight division just like they now want to fight in the heavyweight division. There just needs to be better skilled fighters. No way all that leaning and holding Wlad did would of worked against a prime Holyfield. He would of had a field day on Wlad. Vitali is a whole mother story though

    PJ on October 5th, 2013 at 4:51 PM
  3. The fight was better than Ali-Evangelista or Ali-Lubbers.

    At least it had 4 knockdowns and a damned good beating of a previously undefeated World Heavyweight Champion and former Olympic Champion who had never been knocked down before in a 25-year boxing career.

    As for Wlad against champions of the past, we will never know…

    a4 on October 5th, 2013 at 5:00 PM
  4. This was a perfect example of how shallow the heavyweight division is. One guy wouldn’t and the other couldn’t. I’m just not sure which one is which. This stinkfest was mainly because Klitschko wouldn’t, and also couldn’t! He should have been disqualified for all the blatant fouling trying anything and everything to avoid a clean fight and ripped off the paying audience in the process. It was repulsive how that incompetent referee literally let Klitschko get away with countless fouling each and every round! Time and time again Klitschko fought as if he was petrified of getting starched, he must have pissed all over himself every time Povetkin came within inches of his chin. Klitschko looked like a terrified octopus trying to grab Povetkin around the neck and lay on him, I even seen him blatantly pounce on top of Povetkin as if to land on top of him, yes this was porn with clothes on. This bozo referee absolutely sucks! And frankly so does Klitschko, who’s a sorry ass excuse for a champion. He should pay a fine for ripping off the paying public who came to see a fight and instead witnessed a totally mortified fighter do everything in his might to win without really trying to do it the honest way, he fouled and the brainless referee allowed it so basically Klitschko said f*#% it I’m going to keep doing this shit. Like a thief in the night no one stops him so what the heck he keeps stealing! This was no different. Pathetic referee even more pathetic champion.  

    Alex on October 5th, 2013 at 11:21 PM
  5. A-4, get off his nuts. He’s a bum who while he sets a good example out of the ring, I prefer a fighter over a fencer.

    Pedro Fernandez on October 5th, 2013 at 11:46 PM
  6. “The first being, there needs to be a “super heavyweight” division. Secondly, to say Larry Holmes, Ali or George Foreman couldn’t beat the 6’7 Ukrainian and current World heavyweight champion is farcical.”

    This makes no sense. Ali weighed 220 and was an accumulation puncher who was defeated by little Frazier who had one good eye. Foreman in his prime was also around 220 pounds. If there was a SHW division, those old-timers wouldn’t even be in the same division as the Klitschkos. These guys would all be smoked by not just either Klitschko but Lennox too. They would probably get rag-dolled like everyone who has weighed that much and tried to fight a Klitschko. Just laughable really.

    Mario on October 6th, 2013 at 12:48 AM
  7. I actually saw Wladimir Clinchko listed in a top 10 P4P somewhere recently. The guy’s got a 1-2 and a lead left hook, but everything else is clinch and lean. You can see why Corrie Sanders beat him – the man threw punches at a tall heavyweight who keeps his hands low. Once you find someone with the courage to throw at Wlad, he’s done.

    Keith on October 6th, 2013 at 12:50 AM
  8. What a disgusting fight. I cant even say it was a fight – more a hugfestival. Best thing was when asked after the fight Klitschko said that clinching is part of boxing!!!
    WTF? Isnt throwing punches and defending punches a part of boxing too? He should consider that.
    All he does nowadays is to lean on his (mostly smaller) opponents with his 110kg and tire them out. When he’s done with that over 5-8 rounds he starts carefully throwing a few jabs and when he feels 100% secure he throws the right hand. In 99% of most “opponents” this is enough and they become part of his ko-record.

    After all theses years I cant really get why there isnt a single well conditioned and skilled heavyweight out there to take it aggressively to Klitschkos body and also apply some dirty “Hopkins” tactics when being clinched. I mean Povetkin was losing all the way – why not consider some “Holyfield”-headwork and some “Garcia”-low blows and mean “Hopkins”-tactics while being hugged to death?
    I was expecting him to go downstairs while he was getting into the clinch (aka Klitschko falling forward to clinch). None of that was present.

    There is a small timeframe before big Klit throws those massive arms around you – if you’re fast you can land 2-3 blows to liver and kidney. Considering all the hugging this could amount to some dramatic results. Why we havent seen this yet can only have one answer – the opposition is so poor in the division that there simply isnt a fighter out there to at least try to cut big Klit down. What a shame!

    Sven on October 6th, 2013 at 4:33 AM
  9. Wlad sucks! ‘Nuff said!

    tommyrenob on October 6th, 2013 at 7:43 AM
  10. Didn’t see the fight and generally he is boring, but it’s not just size… he’s a big guy but there are a lot of heavies just as big these days.

    Nick on October 6th, 2013 at 11:52 AM
  11. Pedro u jump too much on the guy. Bernard’s fights suck just as bad. Also to say an Olympic gold medalist a non pugilists is a stretch. Mind u he is a 2x champ unbeaten in over 7 years multiple defenses. While we all ove to talk, the man is in the ring doing. I’m pretty sure all of us would love to be the champ but we are not. I don’t like his laying on his opponents. But until someone stops him he keeps winning. And yes he should use his size. U use every advantage u have? So if a guy is faster than most should he slow down? If stronger should he not exert his strength?? The guy does have 51kos more kos than mayweather has fights??? And they both came out the same year?? No.

    Makiveli on October 6th, 2013 at 12:48 PM
  12. You saw it as I did Pedro. All Klitchko did was jab, grab, push down on neck, over and over again. I would have disqualified Klichko after about 4 or 5 rounds. Not to mention repeatedly throwing Povetkin to the ground. Povetkin on the other hand got 1000 easy chances as he was repeatedly let in to the inside and did jack shit. Anyone who thinks that man would last with Foreman, old or young needs their head examined.

    Martin Sirois on October 6th, 2013 at 2:05 PM
  13. And I certainly don’t applaud Bernard. I guess you don’t read everything here, this is a pro Wlad article from Weds. Look before you spout Mak.


    Pedro Fernandez on October 6th, 2013 at 8:55 PM
  14. Should Ward have been disqualified for headbutting Kessler from across the ring? It was an illegal headbutt, but Ward’s referee said nothing. Vlad was fighting in Povetkin’s venue. Ward only fights in his hometown with his personal referee and judges.

    I thought Vlad fought a good strategic fight. Vlad used his entire torso from the waist up to drain Povetkin of his strength. Povetkin did not have the boxing skill or movement to avoid Vlad’s tactic. If Povetkin had a nice quick jab, none of the Vlad leaning on him would have occurred or at least have been effective. Another mistake Alex made was not delivering body shots to Wlad when he had one arm free when Wlad held him. His bad.

    Gabriel on October 6th, 2013 at 9:32 PM
  15. Gabriel, Cheap shot…by you. You are the only person that has ever accused Andre Ward of such. Not even Kessler during a post fight interview. Wlad is a punk when it comes to engaging and you cannot accept reality.

    Pedro Fernandez on October 6th, 2013 at 10:00 PM
  16. Wlad wasn’t fighting some bum, or some random heavyweight, he was fighting a top-3 rated heavyweight in the world, who was an Olympic Gold Medalist, and was undefeated as a pro. It was not supposed to be an easy fight. Moreover, it’s harder to look impressive when you’re fighting this kind of top opposition. We’ve seen Wladimir look superb and score sensational blowout KO’s recently (KO 4 Mormeck, KO 6 Pianeta), but it’s a lot easier to do that against guys like Mormeck and Pianeta than it is against someone like Povetkin.

    In my opinion, Povetkin’s probably the best heavyweight in the world other than the Klitschko Brothers. I would comfortably predict Povetkin to beat the likes of Wilder, Stiverne, Solis, Thompson, Adamek, Glazkov, Boytsov, Wach, Chisora, Helenius, and Banks. Povetkin VS Haye, Povetkin VS Pulev would be highly interesting, 50-50 type fights. I could see Povetkin getting the best of all of them though if he comes in good shape.

    I thought Wladimir fought a great fight, and used superb tactics to decisively win against a game and skilled opponent in Alexander Povetkin. Overall, I am quite impressed with this win when you consider the quality level of his opponent. Ultimately, I think it adds to Wlad’s legacy as one of the better opponents he’s beaten.

    Hans on October 6th, 2013 at 11:57 PM
  17. Hans, to say he looked good against Mormeck is like saying you would look good beating up your six year old son, from a size point of view.

    Pedro Fernandez on October 7th, 2013 at 12:33 AM
  18. Sorry Pedro but that simply isn’t true about Kesler. In the post fight interview he said several times that Ward intentionally butted him. Now I’m not saying he did, as he’s not usually a dirty fighter, but Kesler did say Ward butted him several times intentionally. You can watch the interview here, it’s towards the end.


    Martin Sirois on October 7th, 2013 at 1:12 AM
  19. there needs to be a “super heavyweight” division>>>> who would occupy such a division? the klits and some fatboys?

    jim on October 7th, 2013 at 7:12 AM
  20. Pedro is absolutly right in that there NEEDS to be a superheavyweight division. However I would prefer they raise the cruiser limit to 210 maybe 215. Some people here just don’t understand that humans are just getting bigger. Take a look at NFL linemen over the years, they just keep getting bigger and bigger. The same thing is happening with heavywiehgt boxers.

    David in Dunedin on October 7th, 2013 at 9:23 AM
  21. Andre Ward’s headbutt on Kessler was flagrant. The video clearly indicated that. Lets at least try to be fair here.

    O-Ren Ishii on October 7th, 2013 at 9:51 AM
  22. Kudos to those who watched the whole thing, I couldn’t. After 8 rounds I couldn’t take it. Wladimir is boring but I blame Povetkin. After all that throwing and pushing his neck down Povetkin should have went for the nuts. He allowed himself to just be mauled. No right hands or body punches thrown, not sure how he expected to win by just throwing his predictable left hook. I don’t want to see either guy in the ring again.

    Javier Ruiz on October 7th, 2013 at 10:31 AM
  23. Well put, Mr. Ruiz. A nut shot! YES!

    Pedro Fernandez on October 7th, 2013 at 1:20 PM
  24. pedro remember! kessler was caught trying to stack his gloves in his fight with ward. i see nobody has brought that up.

    dizzj on October 7th, 2013 at 2:13 PM
  25. Pedro,
    A lot of people hate on Wlad, but guys like Ward, D. Garcia in his last fight, B-hop, and even FMJ use the same type of tactics and are just as boring to most fans. Lennox did too. I think Vitali was the better of the bunch at HW. He went for the KO, and wasn’t afraid to mix it up after his Jab. Lennox escaped that fight with a win and rightfully retired. No need for a SHW division, someone needs to man up and attack like Brewster and Corrie Sanders did. They need to be able to take a few to deliver though.


    SKERGE on October 7th, 2013 at 2:36 PM
  26. I remember being bored by many Holmes title fights, Jones, Bey, Ocasio, Evangelista, Cobb, to name a few. But I guess that was different.

    Wladimir clinched Povetkin 170 times over the 12 rounds they fought. He completely nullified Povetkin’s offense. Certainly the lack of complaint from the referee figured into this being his plan A strategy from which he only occasionally deviated.

    Muhammad Ali faced an undefeated former Olympic gold medalist with almost an identical record to Povetkin’s, Joe Frazier. The first fight Ali lost.

    The second fight Ali clinched Frazier 143 times over 12 rounds and he won. He was hit many more times than Klitschko was hit, however, but he still won the decision. It can be argued that Ali should have clinched more, because in the third fight the referee prevented Ali from clinching and pushing Frazier’s neck down and Ali had to survive near death in the Thrilla in Manilla to win the fight.

    This Klitschko fight is only representative of one strategy that he was allowed to get away with against one difficult opponent who had never been knocked down in a fight before, amateur or professional. Klitschko has brutalized and KOed many fighters as big as himself and didn’t need to clinch to do it. His one punch knock down of Derrick Jefferson 6’6″ is highlight reel stuff. Not long ago he brutalized Mariusz Wach with bone shattering combinations. This Povetkin fight is one fight and not representative of anything.

    Thomas on October 7th, 2013 at 4:31 PM
  27. dizz,

    Yeah, I forgot they had hand wrapping issues that Virgil Hunter brought to the attention of the Calif Athletic Commission, thus they were not allowed to do what they had been doing in Europe for years.

    Pedro Fernandez on October 7th, 2013 at 7:13 PM
  28. Thomas, get Clit-chkos Nut Sack out of your mouth. Wlad is boring, comparing him to Ali is preposterous and stupid. You must have pictures of him in your restroom and I bet your ring magazine with his pictures are stuck together!

    Just saying…

    Tommy on October 8th, 2013 at 8:15 AM
  29. Potvekin ins’t a;; that good, no one gave him a shot. Vlad has been fighting heavyweights with blown up records. His performance against Potvetkin was pathetic. Yeah he’s held the title a long time but besides Haye(who I never thought highly of…he was stopped by Carl Thompson) his brother has the better resume in my view. Also his brother wasn’t stopped by three journeymen types. Sorry but he’s the best guy out there now, but doesn’t deserve to be considered one of the best ever. He lacks guts, something the oldtimers had. Potvetkin would have never held a title in the old days. He lacks a punch, and his conditioning is suspect. He came somewhat prepared in this bout, but showed no punch variety and was totally predictable. The fight was garbage when it was announced. Vlad hjas been fighting Mediocre fighters in Europe for years and all the Americans he beat were old. You can’t knock his accomplishments, but to think he’d be dominant against guys who could actually fight is ridiculous. Every decent foe he’s faced have taken him the distance.

    KP on October 8th, 2013 at 9:32 AM
  30. KP,

    Right on ,and to be honest it bog bro Vitali wasn’t there to beat up on the puncher types, Wlad wouldn’t have lasted this long. We’d also be singing the Vitali praises instead. Without big bro to run interference, Wlad would have been exposed, again…


    SKERGE on October 8th, 2013 at 12:31 PM
  31. The name of the game is BOXING not brawling. Americans want a Rocky Balboa fight where the boxers pound each other round after round. Boxing is the art of hitting your opponent without getting hit. The name of the game is inflict as much damage to your opponent while minimizing damage to yourself. The name of the game is WIN. K hits his opponents and makes sure that he does not get hit. K inflicts as much damage to his opponents while minimizing damage to himself. K is a WINNER. He is the champion and is so superior to his opponents that he makes them look second rate. No one on the planet, especially no hype-job fighters from America or Britain can even come close to him.

    Mathias on October 8th, 2013 at 2:18 PM
  32. He sucks, can’t enteratain fans outside of white supremist types and he has a glass jaw!

    Pedro Fernandez on October 8th, 2013 at 8:16 PM
  33. Mathias he doesn’t even throw combinations anymore. Jab…clinch…clinch…clinch. Clinching is illegal in boxing!!!! Tyson foes used to get disqualified for clinching him when they were scared to death to get hit.

    Wlad doesn’t throw combinations anymore. I remember when Wlad bombed out Ray Mercer in 1992, that was impressive…a couple of fights later the glass jaw was cracked.

    He wins fights because of his size: jaw is not world class, stamina is not world class.

    Guys should double leg take down him a few times, when he clinches, and he might stop that shit.

    tommyrenob on October 9th, 2013 at 9:53 AM
  34. The fans of a white champion are called “white supremacists,” while the fans of a black champion “can appreciate a great fighter.” Racist double standard.

    Bennie on October 9th, 2013 at 3:28 PM
  35. I concur Bennie. No disagreeing here. Everything is about race,,,,,,Don’t forget it!

    Pedro Fernandez on October 9th, 2013 at 6:56 PM
  36. Pedro, you are wrong about the Kessler-Ward fight. Kessler did protest about the head butts, and if you think Klitschkos clinching was bad, then check out Andre Ward in this compilation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDEBCoaR_lU
    It says 88 initiated clinches. Well, some of them were actually joint ventures, but Ward was allowed to do it bacause of fireman Jack Reiss, who is a personal friend of both Dan Goosen and Bob Arum.
    That style from the referee made the difference. If this fight was held in Copenhagen, Ward would have received the first warning before the 4th round and the second before the 7th. And if he couldn’t use this style, he would be helpless. I still don’t understand, how they could get away with appointing a local referee for a world title fight in Wards backyard.
    I didn’t expect either, that Luis PAbon would be so bad. Just like Jack Reiss he let Klitschko bend the rules by being so passive.

    Thomas on October 9th, 2013 at 10:44 PM
  37. YOU ARE RIGHT. I didn’t recall him pitching a complaint when I talked to him afterwards. Boy, they were talking plenty of crap before, then they get caught attempting illegal hand wraps. But you were right, Kessler was adamant about it.

    Pedro Fernandez on October 10th, 2013 at 12:07 AM
  38. I know for a fact, that they didn’t attempt to cheat with the wrapping. Stacking like that is not illegal in Denmark (DPBF) and some other European countries. But everything went wrong on that trip. Cutman Paddy Burns, who was normally in charge of the hands and knew the California rules, became sick and never made it to the fight. Instead trainer Ricard Olsen tried to do it, but he didn’t have a clue and neither speak or understand English. In fact he never finished those hands after Virgil Hunters protest. The tv cameras didnt show it, but actually Malcolm Garrett had to step in, start all over and finish that project. A lot of other stuff when wrong and was handled amateurish by Team Sauerland, who only knows how to “cheat” and control the scene, when they are on homesoil. But that’s another story.

    Thomas on October 10th, 2013 at 1:53 AM
  39. All this diatribe about Wlady really bothers me. Wladimir is a very nice man who came into boxing with a great desire to end violence in this sport of ours nad he showed how affectionate he is by spending the better part of 45 minutes hugging Povetkin, as he’s done with virtually all opponents. What does he get in response for spreading so much love (some might find it slightly gayish)? Tons of bad press, conspiracy theories and insults. Gents, I summon you to rise to the level of Wlady’s intellect in order to understand his mission in boxing.

    todaline on October 10th, 2013 at 8:06 AM
  40. Agreed. He just doesn’t need to grab and hold and lean. Wlad can punch BIG if he lets his hands go. He’s his own worst enemy. They make a lot of money, he just didn’t catch on here in the US because he wouldn’t let his hands go. And being two brothers, Vitali, the two best in the division, but they’re getting older. Numbers can deceive, but that can’t lie. The bros. have done excellent numbers and I can’t think of anyone being ducked.

    Pedro Fernandez on October 10th, 2013 at 10:00 AM
  41. i understand hitting and not getting hit, but the fact is he really didn’t want to engage and the fight got ugly. Its one thing to stay on the outside and avoid punishment, but the holding really bothers me. I don’t mind in-fighting like Ward does because he’s actually throwing punches with the free hand. Vlad holds on for dear life anytime his opponent gets with in range. He also paws with his left hand out in front which is illegal.. It’s understandable that boxers are going to break the rules if allowed to do so, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that the fight itself was horrendous, and lets not put all the blame on Vlad or the referee. Potvekin deserves just as much blame for allowing it. By the way when guys like Hopkins runaround the ring, hold and grapple and stink the joint out he gets applauded sometimes, so I understand the double standard isn’;t fair. Hopkins is one of my favorites and I can’t really stand to watch him anymore either.

    KP on October 10th, 2013 at 1:08 PM
  42. So you watched the fight with some squares, who have seen Wlad fight a grand total of one time, in probably his ugliest fight (Which was about 50% the fault of his opponent) and they’re shocked that he’s the champion? Sit down with these squares for the next Mayweather or Ward fight, I’m sure they’ll be on the edge of their seat. Watching Mayweather dance with his handpicked opponent over 12, they’ll really be glad they invested $70 in that. At least Wlad has fought the best available at HW and continues to do so and he went into Pov’s own backyard for this fight which is an absolutely unheard of thing for an American fighter to do. Ward and Mayweather would never even consider it. Sounds like these squares and their limited attention spans are better suited to watching MMA….

    Sam on October 10th, 2013 at 1:18 PM
  43. Have a look at the chaotic brawls,with Sanders,and Brewster,that saw Wlad look finished as a top level fighter. Since then he effectively boxed to a pattern not allowing any chance of repeat results,from 2003/4. Boring ,at times,but he has not lost since. It is up to someone to have the ability to force Wlad into that uncomfortable pace and place,again. But who?

    dannyb54 on October 10th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
  44. Blame Povetkin because he was the shorter guy?

    Pedro Fernandez on October 10th, 2013 at 5:12 PM
  45. with wlad’s charity work involving BLACK children:


    and being a good friend and student of emanuel steward AND keeping his friend johnathan banks (BLACK) on as trainer after manny passed, what sort of bigot and a-hole brings up white supremacy when discussing wladimir? the crazy owner of this site, that’s who. sorry, it just doesn’t add up. wlad just doesn’t fit the profile of someone that racist whites would want to support and true racist whites would probably just call wlad a “race traitor” just for having a black trainer and helping underprivileged black children. oh wait – larry “the bigot” holmes did just that and call manny a traitor for training a white man. and lookie here – scumbag holmes is the owner of this pathetic site’s favorite heavyweight fighter! ya don’t say!

    just go ahead and turn this into a hate site. you know absolutely nothing about boxing at this point and are a complete bigot, so doing that would be fitting.

    never have seen footage of this “four time golden gloves champion” either and it doesn’t seem to exist. i would think that someone that was capable of “murdering” wlad if only he was a foot taller and had the balls to go pro, would have videos of his career plastered all over the net and especially this site. pedro’s background and arguments are full of more holes than swiss cheese.

    Simms on October 10th, 2013 at 5:23 PM
  46. Geez,

    I know white guys that tune into boxing hoping the white guy, of which I am half, Norweigan, all the time. So why is this talk about White Supremists digging on a Russian fighting out of Germany so callous?

    Pedro Fernandez on October 10th, 2013 at 5:45 PM
  47. Nicolash, Quite low. Didn’t turn pro for a number of reasons. 1) Age 2) Why? 3) Serious Injuries From Then Job. 4) I fought tougher guys in Obie Cervantes, Keith Rucker, Dennis Crabtree, Vincent Webb, than I would as a pro. If you would have witnessed the demise of a lot of fighters, physically and mentally, before and during your tenure, you would not talk that way.

    Pedro Fernandez on October 12th, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Leave a Reply

Powered by Crowd Ignite