WHO IS NEXT FOR MANNY PACQUIAO?

November 25th, 2013 By Jarrad Woods

Manny Pacquiao

Manny Pacquiao

PACQUIAO WIN OPENS A LOT OF DOORS

San Francisco, CA- Manny Pacquiao (55-5-2, 38 KOs) looked like he hasn’t missed a step against a game (but limited) Brandon Rios (31-2-1, 23 KOs) in a comeback bout this weekend. In a near complete shutout, Manny was able to beat Rios to the punch, land multiple combos and move laterally to an easy points victory. He appeared unaffected by his knockout loss to Juan Manuel Marquez and provided some needed inspiration for his fans and country, which is recovering feom a deadly storm. Pacquiao looked so well against Rios that he’s certainty going to have a few options if he continues to fight. Below are the best ones that come to mind.

THE “RUGGED” RUSLAN PROVODNIKOV

WBO 140 lb. guy Ruslan Provodnikov (23-2, 16 KOs) is a great option for Pacquiao and will provide another exciting bout to get Manny buzzing again. Ruslan, unlike several of Pacquiao’s opponents is coming off a solid KO ‘victory’ over Mike Alvarado and has a style that would compliment Manny’s well. This fight may be a bit risky, but not enough that it is unlikely to be considered. Both fighters share the same promotional banner (Top Rank) and this would appear to be one of the easiest fights to be made out of a short list of viable opponents. But Ruslan was spotted in Manny’s dressing room prior to him entering the ring against Rios, so it remains to be seen if these guys will become buddies or actually challenge each other in the near future.

THE “PERSISTENT” TIM BRADLEY


A rematch against Timothy Bradley (31-0, 12 KOs) is the most sensible fight for Pacquiao as he can patch up some unfinished business against an opponent who many belive was gifted a victory against him when they fought last year in Las Vegas. Bradley however, will not provide the same excitement as Provodnikov and will also prove to be risky, possibly more than Provodnikov given Bradley’s need to prove his mettle against Manny. Bradley will also likely display elusiveness which won’t suit the Pac-Man well and could certainly halt his next run before it ever gets rolling.

THE “HIGH STAKES” JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ

Another shot at Juan Manuel Marquez (55-7-1, 40 KOs) is likely the fight than Manny and his fans want most, and it would likely be the most lucrative out the three to potentially make with his Top Rank affiliates. The only problem is the fact that Marquez may not want anything to do with Manny and has seemingly shifted his focus to Timothy Bradley, who recently defeated him on points. Marquez has gone as far to say that if he doesn’t get Bradley, he’ll likely retire. If this is true, Manny will have to offer Marquez a considerable amount of money and possibly have to fight in Mexico to make this bout happen. It is also not the easiest fight to win, given their history and could certainly go the wrong way for Manny if he isn’t 100 percent on fight night.

THE “ULTIMATE FOIL” FLOYD MAYWEATHER

A match with Floyd Mayweather (45-0, 26 KOs) is certainly the biggest and most exciting bout that Manny can consider but it’s also the most difficult and least likely to happen. The contrasting networks (Showtime & HBO) and the competing promotional banners (Golden Boy and Top Rank) seem to make this bout a shot in the dark, at best. Manny will also have to look at this as a cash out bout because it will be difficult to defeat Floyd and Pac will certainly be a considerable underdog. Although it’s a fans dream, it’s not something to count on and the money is the sole motivation for Manny to take this fight.

A “WIN-WIN” EITHER WAY

With all of the aforementioned options above, Pacquiao has some solid choices to make and they all make sense in their own way. We will have to wait and see how this thing plays out but if either one of the guys mentioned make it into the ring with Manny in the next 6 to 12 months, there will certainly be interest and a solid to great night of boxing to follow.

Jarrad Woods

COMMENTS

  1. Floyd will not risk of losing his ” zero-loss ” record. He wants to be remembered
    as an undefeated champion in the history of this sport. That seems reasonable enough if there is no Pacquiao in the scene during the course of that history.
    However , that is not the case; so his record seems superficial and meaningless.
    He should face Pacquiao while there is still time. Otherwise…

    Ferdie on November 26th, 2013 at 9:03 AM
  2. Pac should fight Bradley since Marquez is avoiding him.
    It’s a logical choice since Bradley won his last fight againt Marquez!

    Wengz on November 26th, 2013 at 9:25 AM
  3. Floyd Mayweather being scared of Manny is the only reason why they would’nt fight. Don’t BS us about these promotion banners and TV networks. If his not a chicken the fight will happen, he needs to grow some balls.

    jake on November 26th, 2013 at 9:29 AM
  4. Pacquiao will not fight for the money if if he has to beg for it. The only reason he begs Mayweather for the fight is because he feels he owes it to boxing fans around the world to make this fight happen. If you believe that Pacquiao will easily be defeated by Mayweather, can you ask him to agree to fight Pacquiao, if only for the sake of his adoring fans worldwide? I’m sure you will fail to persuade Mayweather because the truth is he knows he will lose to Pacquiao and he can’t live with that fact. Pacquiao can live with the fact that you will always proclaim his loss to Mayweather BEFORE they fight, knowing that he wins it AFTER the fight.

    phil borda on November 26th, 2013 at 12:33 PM
  5. Jake you must be insane on drugs or Filipino

    Pedro Fernandez on November 26th, 2013 at 2:17 PM
  6. You guys must have a lot of faith in Manny and very little stock in boxing IQ, lol. We all would enjoy this fight but the only reason it didn’t happen is because Manny has to answer to Arum and Arum is milking him with the best options on his roster. If the fight does happen it’s because the cow has run dry and it’s time to cash in! No way the best P4P boxer is simply ‘afraid’ to fight somebody who has been outboxed and knocked out on more than one occasion.

    JW on November 26th, 2013 at 3:06 PM
  7. Manny has a great chance to beat all those guys listed. if he fought a smart fight like he did against rios, he would have beaten marquez. I actually like the way he picked apart Rios, punished him, and never took any hard hits.

    As far as Mayweather, I think he’d need another dominating fight. The advantage goes to Floyd (obviously) but Manny still has a chance with his speed, southpaw, throws more punches, and angles.

    I wouldn’t say Mayweather is scared of pacman but he doesn’t take him lightly and is very cautious. 1st round Mosely, Castillo, De LaHoya, and Cotto have shown signs that Mayweather can be hit and Mayweather hasn’t fought anyone with Manny’s speed and footwork. That’s why the fight between MOney and Pacman is so intriguing.

    kenny on November 26th, 2013 at 3:22 PM
  8. I agree JW. Floyd has almost 50 fights against many good fighters. I don’t see why he’d be afraid of Manny. He just is difficult to make a fight with because he expects to get the lions share of the money, and at this point he deserves it. I still think it would be an interesting fight though. Even though I think Floyd wins clearly, I think it would be more competitive than facing the slow guys he’s been fighting like Alvarez or Guerrero. The contrast in speed is really what makes the bout compelling. Floyd is so much faster, and smarter than all his foes, at least in this bout he’d be facing someone with comparable speed.

    Kevin Perry on November 26th, 2013 at 4:02 PM
  9. @jw and kevin perry, if that is your perception of floyd jr. beating pacman easily, then tell your idol floyd jr. and other fans that he should face manny pacquiao on the ring instead of trash talks.

    manok ni floyd on November 26th, 2013 at 4:32 PM
  10. To all these experts who are saying that Manny has no chance against Mayweather. If he is not afraid to fight why make all these excuses. The first excuse he gave when Pacquiao challenged him after the de la Hoya fight was ” I need some tune up fights first” he being coming back from that “retirement” he used to duck a rematch with De la Hoya. after the “tune up fights” excuse then came the “roiding” and drug tests. After the “roiding” came the money split, saying “he will never agree to 50-50″ Now Pacquiao has agreed to a 55-45 split in favor of Floyd and has agreed to all the drug tests, but still why he is not making the fight happen? The truth is Floyd is so scared of the Pacman. Go look at youtube and you will see Floyd’s admission that he is scared of Pacman, saying “Yes I am a coward , but I am a rich coward. I want to enjoy my money after I’ve left boxing”. This goes to show that he does not believe he will win against Pacquiao and go on to enjoy his money.

    EdL on November 26th, 2013 at 6:08 PM
  11. Lol, KP. I agree about Manny’s speed, but I remember when you thought Mattyse was a good stylistic match up for Floyd as well. I think Amir Khan has just a good a shot as Manny in the speed dept. Its not likely we’ll see a guy who will really test Floyd at 147, but Manny has the best shot based on perception. It’s still sellable, so hopefully it’s an option that gets considered. I think it will be hard for Floyd to keep selling PPV fights against guys who the public believes have no shot.

    JW on November 26th, 2013 at 6:18 PM
  12. His next fight has already been signed. He’s fighting the tax man

    Martin Sirois on November 26th, 2013 at 9:38 PM
  13. BRADLEY > MAYWEATHER > MARQUEZ THEN RETIRE.

    Jam on November 26th, 2013 at 9:54 PM
  14. I can’t understand how u guys can ride a dudes straw so hard? When like my man JRock been saying. Greatness is proved in the ring not by mouth and opinion. I’ve stuck up for Floyd for years!!! But this azzhole has been know to fight guys way past their primes very green or not at all. Never fought Paul Williams?? Fought cotto and Mosley years!!!!!! After their best. Beats a great avacodo in canelo and u guys act like he is the second coming?? U guys praising this douche gives him a pass not to fight the tough fights!! I’ll tell u comments that he’s made that show fear( nobody gets better with age?)( how is he knocking out bigger fighters) he can’t believe pacmans natural. Hence he’s supernatural and can’t believe what he’s seeing. PAC has been weighing about 145 to150 fightnight since he was fighting at 130lbs. Floyd don’t wanna fight a southpaw with fast hands and feat?? Last time Zab put him down and was winning the fight midway? Imagine a Zab without stamina issues and tons of heart and u got pacman? Now the new one is he has to sign with tmt??? He’s gonna fight manny when he’s sure manny is done. If u guys make it easy for him to duck the fight. By slipping him up

    Da Bomb on November 26th, 2013 at 10:12 PM
  15. Kevi, while it is true that Floyd would want the lion’s share of money, the reason the fight did not happen has nothing to do with that. You remember that in the first round of negotiations he accepted equal share, only to see the fight jeopardized by Pac’s 10Mil/lb, ring size, gloves, and then a resounding NO on drug testing? So at first money was never an issue, and the real issue has always been vile, senile Arum, whom, as somebody pointed out Pac respond to. All internet forums keep publishing myths about Floyd always coming up with new demands, when in reality, those who really follow the sport, AND FORGET TO HATE FLOYD, KNOW that he had ONE demand, just one, and that was drug tests.

    todaline on November 27th, 2013 at 6:22 AM
  16. Da Bomb, imagine Ali without his Parkinson, he’d still be Champ. Imagine Napoleon without the Russian Winter, the Soviet Union would’ve never existed, as it’s be a French province. Imagine Germany without the Nazis. Hitler would be known as an obscure German sargent from Austria therefore the Yalta treaty would’ve never taken place, the US would’ve never gone to WW2. Imagine that Musashi had not met Sasaki Kojiro and nobody would have known about the greatest Japanese hero. Imagine what America would look like had JFK survived or better yet, imagine the British Empire not losing the war in 1812. Imagine, imagine. I know human beings have a fertile mind, but imagination can only take you so far…

    todaline on November 27th, 2013 at 12:42 PM
  17. Yea toad u look like a slurpper? Why not address my whole message? What about p.will? Waiting till Mosley got old? And cotto got the life beat out of him 2x’s. Ur reaching with the imagine bs. I just stated the obvious. PAC has fast hands and feet. Great stamina. And stamina is Floyd’s true gift. And a man who’s not gonna be scared to throw punches with him in exchanges. U keep on eating that government fake cheese Floyd is giving u if u like. Imagine is all jockeys like u have( ie. IF Floyd fights PAC he’s gonna do this and that. Where I’m from talk is cheap!!!

    Da Bomb on November 27th, 2013 at 7:58 PM
  18. Dabomb, Cotto was a Top Rank fighter, Mosley has his teeth to take care of, so he was not available, P Will was jumping up and down, not knowing if he wanted to be a WW, MW or SMW, and don’t forget that this is a BUSINESS. Fighters look for the very best opportunities and when one is presented to them they seize it (your boy Pac had the opportunity of his life but the fear of needles, actually Bob the massa squandered it, and now he’s crying). Going by seized opportunities Floyd was quite good at it. Remember, we, fans can play matchmaker all we want, we can get mad all we want because one fighter is not fighting another but ultimately this is their decision and we have to live with that (and say you won’t buy PPVs, but we all know you will in the hopes of seeing the guy killed in the ring). As for the “imagines” if you had an ounce of academic literacy you’d understand them.

    todaline on November 28th, 2013 at 7:00 AM
  19. P Williams was overrated, couldn’t stay at a weight long enough to get a title or championship fight, Floyd called out both Mosley and Oscar in their primes and they declined, Cotto got beat by a cheat and then by Pac and yet he is still winning today. Got to go do your research. If Pac actually mans up to sign a fight with Floyd you will see how Floyd toys with Pac. Arum may be a greedy old man but one thing he does know is boxing and he knows Pac would be dominated by Floyd and that is why he never let them fight.

    PJ on November 28th, 2013 at 7:32 AM
  20. Da Bomb, stephen Espinoza, Showtime president of boxing is about to start negotiations with massa Bob. We’ll see what the old liar will say when these negotiations fail (and this time he has in front of him another lawyer who’ll know how to spin things), unless he’s about to cash out on Pac.

    todaline on November 28th, 2013 at 7:50 AM
  21. Toad ur funny and a spinster. Mosley and mayweather had been at or near each others weight for over TEN!!! Years before they fought? Cotto and May were both to prank fighters? And what the F??? I remember real fighters having other promoters and fighting? Hagler- Duran- hearns? Leonard? And I can keep going. Truth be told. Floyd’s been feeding u idiots how he can beat pacman and bla bla bla. Now u zombies are spitting it too. Giving him the luxury of not having to fight the man? Since u seem to be privy to the negotiations? Why is it that only 1 of these 2 have said yes I want to fight him? Bitchweather has given so many excuses. 1- he said if PAC called him out he’d fight? Then it’s drug test then it’s money then it’s if he signs with tmt? U seem to be reasonably intelligent? Am I lying? So why do u defend a man that seems to avoid most challenges in favor of easy pickings? To be honest who has he beat in his hall of fame career that’s been in their prime and at their best?? Hatton? Corrales and I think Pedro has a problem with that fight. Oscar? Zab? Mosley? Cotto? Baldomir??!! Lol. Bible says let those who have eyes see?? I know u see. If so give me 4 fights of mayweather that he beat a man on top of his game or he was underdog?? Wtf are u talking about he ran from a dela Hoya rematch and career high payday at that time to retire?? An old DLH. How come when there’s a real fight on the horizon he retires? Just like after hatton cotto was coming on strong? Oh gotta retire. Only reason he doesn’t retire again is because u slurppers keep TALKINGabout how he is gonna beat everybody?

    Da Bomb on November 28th, 2013 at 12:17 PM
  22. And as far as intellectual prowess is concerned? I’m a Mensa member with an IQ of 162!!! If u like I can happily email my certificate and number to u? Please let’s not compare intellect? I’m not trying to insult u. Just please refrain from getting personal. When u want that info give me a shout:)

    Da Bomb on November 28th, 2013 at 12:24 PM
  23. Da bomb, you’re not trying to insult me by caliing me idiot, a toad, slurper at every turn? I wonder what you’d say if you tried. We’ll put aside the IQ level, I’m close to 200, see, we can all say what we want, and I too, can prove it to you. Now, please do some research and stop repeating what the Ioles and Marleys, all paid Arum scribes, have written. Arum would not let Cotto anywhere near Floyd back when Floyd was with TR, saying Cotto was not ready yet. As I said, when Floyd called out Mosley, the sugarman said right there in the ring for all to hear: I need to care care of my teeth therefore I’m not ready. Remember when Arum wanted to put Pac with Floyd, knowing that Floyd was going to jail? The judge agreed to postpone the jailing so the fight would take place, only for Arum to have a sudden need to build a stadium that would take so much time that the fight was not feasible, or is it because the scratch Pac had on his face would need 9 months to heal? Remember that the ONLY stipulation on Floyd’s part, on the first round of negotiations was the damn drug test? Remember the ring size, the gloves, the ten millions per pound over the contracted weight asked by Pac? Remember what happened whem May said yes to all that? That’s when Pac had nightmares about needles, that is until someone showed him pictures of him being butchered in a tattoo parlor, and suddenly it became a matter of not getting blood drawn 21 days before a fight, and the he needed to know when the test would start, when it would end, and waht days they’d be coming, for a Effing RANDOM, RANDOM test.

    Fast forward a few years later, Pac is suddenly not KOing anyone, he’s getting tested, and wants Marquez to get tested, and accusing others, without any proof, of being unnaturally bulked up. How strange. So let’s recapitulate, the man has problems at lower weights, go up in weight and decapitates much bigger men, until the drug testing starts and suddenly th KOs stop, he gets himselg decapitated, and starts accusing others of roiding because the guy, Marquez, couldn’t kill a fly a lower weights, how come he almost kileed me at WW? Sounds familiar? And BTW, can we put aside the name calling?

    todaline on November 28th, 2013 at 1:30 PM
  24. By the way, happy thanksgiving to my RT brothers.

    todaline on November 28th, 2013 at 2:06 PM
  25. Thanks, todaline!

    Pedro Fernandez on November 28th, 2013 at 4:08 PM
  26. I can remember. See we don’t have to pretend we didn’t see the truth. They both have squandered the fight. I feel that Floyd has more blame. Being he has a record of not seeking the hard fights. And the ko’s stop? U can’t ko everybody? The only real ko he had at welter was cotto. And like I’ve stated before. The man still comes to the ring at 146 to 150. He’s been doing that since he was fighting at 130? And he has beaten and sought the most difficult fights out there. Hall of famers all in his resume( Barrera, morales, Marquez, hatton, de la Hoya, cotto. And he fought 3 of those guys more than once and in their primes or very close to. Like I said what hall of famers at their prime did Floyd beat??? I’ll let u take ur time to list the one name???

    Da Bomb on November 28th, 2013 at 8:40 PM
  27. An ancient Barrera, in his prime? Hatton? He was on suicide watch after Floyd beat him, way before Pac. DLH? Floyd had him first? Marquez? Floyd toyed with him, the same Marquez who some feel won all four against Pac. Mosley, Judah, Gennaro Hernandez, corrales, etc, all better than the washed up Top Rank recycled bums of the month. And the only reason Pac has been fughting the same old guys three times is because there were inconclusive outcomes. Notice that Floyd beats them conclusively (except Castillo, beaten conclusively a second time) so there’s absolutely no need to go back and prove anything. Next time you want to cite “hall of famers” beaten by Pac, please look for fighters Floyd did not beat years before Pac (funny how you cite them as hall of famers and then ask me to give you ONE name, one, lmao). I’m stopping here as you just showed us all that your grasp of boxing is in its infancy. Or maybe you did not notice how you said one thing and its opposite, all in the same sentence.

    todaline on November 28th, 2013 at 10:03 PM
  28. As long as PacMan and Mayweather will not fight, we can assume, predict, analyze or what have you on who will win or who will lose. Almost useless and not really productive.

    The question is: who is making difficult for this fight to happen? I guess the answer is Mayweather. And if that is the case, boxing history and experts will hold Mayweather accountable for that.

    Edroland on November 29th, 2013 at 9:26 AM
  29. Edroland, do you remember when there were talks of Mayweather ducking Cotto? And then they fought, but who was promoting Cotto when the fight took place? And who has Pac fought around and after talks of him and Mayweather that is NOT a Top Rank fighter? Who? Take this info, connect the dots and you’ve got your culprit. Remember, Pac does NOT decide who he fights, Arum does.

    todaline on November 29th, 2013 at 10:54 AM
  30. Ask yourself this, and the questions will cease. Who has Manny ducked? Has Manny fought in fights he was an underdog??? Answers are Nobody and Yes. Who has Floyd ducked?? Has Floyd ever fought as an underdog??? Answers are Plenty and No. Your welcome, case closed. This coming from a former Floyd fan.

    Richard on November 29th, 2013 at 6:43 PM
  31. Todaline,” All internet forums keep publishing myths about Floyd always coming up with new demands, when in reality, those who really follow the sport, AND FORGET TO HATE FLOYD, KNOW that he had ONE demand, just one, and that was drug tests..”

    Manny didn’t straight up oppose drug testing. Floyd called the shots and wanted Olympic style testing. They couldn’t agree.

    kenny on December 1st, 2013 at 3:57 PM
  32. @Richard – If your looking at your question without bias. You can argue that Manny ducked Paul Williams (Williams called him out) as much as some will say Floyd did. Manny ducked Mosley until Floyd beat him and left Golden Boy. Manny had the benefit of having the majority of welterweight opponents on his roster and he was able to fight the best of them with catch weights as the A side. With the exception of Margarito (Top Rank), who can we say Floyd ducked that Manny hasn’t?

    JW on December 1st, 2013 at 5:38 PM
  33. JW, I forgot about Williams, who was blatantly ducked by everyone, Floyd included. I believe at the time the Manny camp didn’t like the size discrepancy. So warranted or not, I will give you that one. At no time did he ever duck Mosley, no reason to. Since catchweights are the norm now, I won’t argue either way on this topic. Who did Floyd duck?? Look back when he ‘RETIRED’ for a short period. Look at the top of the rankings. That might be considered downright cowardly…

    PS…Keep up the great articles!!!

    Richard on December 2nd, 2013 at 9:24 AM
  34. kenny, they both called the shots: Floyd with drug testing, Pac with ring size, weight, 10 million per pound over contracted weight, gloves, etc, all agreed by Floyd. The ONLY request by Floyd, was met with REFUSAL, disguised as “I’m affair of needles, giving blood weaken me, I need to know when they’re coming, the starting date, when it will end). That’s the closest thing to a refusal.

    todaline on December 2nd, 2013 at 9:36 AM
  35. JW, you said it better than I could ever have done it.

    todaline on December 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 AM
  36. Richard, here you go again with rumors started by moos hating on fighters. I don’t remember who started this “retirement” rumor, but would not be surprised if it was either by the Leon guy who had Floyd’s prick in his mouth for the longest time, until Floyd dumped him like an old mistress, or that half black and half everything else Fisher guy who likes to hate on successful black boxers. Now tell me, how many fighters retired and came back multiple times and everybody applauded their return? Or at least no one said they were ducking others? Back then (and now for a lot of fighters) coming back had/has two meanings: 1: no more money, I need to fight, 2: I love this so much, I need to fight. A guy making the zillions of money Floyd was/is making can afford to “retire” and come back (or not) whenever he feels like, but for you haters, it can only be because he was afraid of someone.

    todaline on December 2nd, 2013 at 2:02 PM
  37. erratum: moos=mofos

    todaline on December 2nd, 2013 at 2:03 PM
  38. It’s funny to see all these hurt feelings? And dudes going back and forth like a bunch of BiT–es? Look both are hall of famers. Just cause we admire one doesn’t discredit the other. Truth is the dumb asses are us who keep buying their BS. We would’ve made the fight by not buying any of these shit ppv’s with even shittier under cards? We all have opinions. And if we can agree to disagree they both have fault for this. I just hate to see fights that should be made get thrown by the wayside. Because of politics!!! Like Lewis vs Bowe? That should’ve been made!! Tyson Holyfield the real one like 1990 version. But at least the 2 had the heart to come together twice? These fighters these days r wimps like the rest of th sporting wold. Finding a way out or bitching about money. When they r rich??? That’s why th UFC is killing boxing. Because the champ has to fight the number one guy period!!!! Hence great fights. Look at Cain Velazquez he had to comeback from rotator surgery to what a monster named junior dos santos?? St Pierre had to fight condit after very major knee surgery??!!! And theses guys that are making way more than MMA.

    G-killa on December 2nd, 2013 at 2:44 PM
  39. @Richard, glad you like the articles, thanks. I’m going to leave it at this so we’re clear that Pacquiao did turn down/duck Mosley. On Wiki it clearly it says, “Pacquiao’s team turned down a fight with Mosley twice a year before, but they accepted the fight after Mosley had a lopsided loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. and a draw to Sergio Mora.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Shane_Mosley) That “quacks” in my opinion. I believe Mosley offered to come down as low at 140 or 141 at some point for Pacquiao, without success…and Pacquiao consistently fights opponents coming off of losses for some reason. Also Floyd retired when all the threats were at, you guessed it, Top Rank. Cotto left Top Rank, we got him vs Mayweather. Mosley left Golden Boy, we got him vs Pacquiao. With the exception of Williams, who nobody wanted to fight due to his limited appeal for a big PPV and awkward style, my point remains.

    JW on December 2nd, 2013 at 3:07 PM
  40. todaline,”Fast forward a few years later, Pac is suddenly not KOing anyone, he’s getting tested, and wants Marquez to get tested, and accusing others, without any proof, of being unnaturally bulked up”

    Manny hasn’t accused anyone of being naturally bulked up. Freddy has, not Manny.

    kenny on December 2nd, 2013 at 9:46 PM
  41. kenny, you may be right on that. Pac never virtually speaks bad about others, he let others do it for him. And Roach knows a thing or two about PEDs. Just how many fighters trained by him were caught?

    todaline on December 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 AM
  42. Todaline, Manny wasn’t KOing anyone because he moved up in weight. Stop the conspiracy theories. He was always a volume puncher, who hurt guys with speed. Only guy I remember him starching with one shot at the higher weights was Hatton. The Cotto bout was a mercy stoppage.

    Kevin Perry on December 3rd, 2013 at 9:11 AM
  43. Kevin, since when the definition of KO became “a one punch KO”? And if you think I feed off of conspiracy theories about Pac, what would you call your rants about Floyd “retirement”?

    todaline on December 3rd, 2013 at 10:08 AM
  44. You are obviously a Floyd fan, todaline, so no since arguing with a guy still wearing the blinders, I used to be a Floyd fan, especially after he defeated Hernandez, then went on to say he wanted to move up and fight the best until the end of his career. I truly believe he thought that, then he ran into Castillo, and out the window went that idea. He blatantly ducked Margarito and Williams, and he did retire, whether you can see it or not. Decided to let Martinez and Mosley do the hard work. Once completed, back came Floyd.

    Richard on December 3rd, 2013 at 11:08 AM
  45. Richard, I’m a fan of BOXING and Floyd happens to be the best BOXER of this generation. I also happen to be a pragmatist, which allows me to understand a few things that people spending their time hating on boxers AND fighters do not. I believe most of you still did not understand my position related to this whole Floyd/Pac fiasco, so let me explain it to you all so that some/any of you won’t do it for me: obviously there are two sides + one here (as with everything else). One that cries foul whenever someone says bad stuff about Pac, and the other does the same about Floyd. And then there’s the + one side, one who keeps asking: how come these guys who are accusing Floyd of ducking people are NOT accusing Pac of ducking the SAME guys when it is so obvious, being that those guys were available for him and he usually fought them AFTER Floyd? How come these guys are so bling (and forgetful) as to not see that Bob Arum is THE impediment to the fight? How come, time and again they keep repeating what the press (paid by Arum) feed them with an ounce of judgement? A quick googling would certainly show that Arum PLEDGED to NEVER work with Floyd AND De L Hoya. Some have said that ultimately it is the fighter’s fault if the fight doesn’t get made. How is that possible when Pac refuses to ORDER Arum to make the fight and keeps blabbing about “my promoter decides, I fight”. If he really wants the fight shouldn’t he order his employee Bob Arum to make it, instead of taking refuge behind Arum’s skirt? As I said prior, Cotto was at one point someone Floyd ducked. The fight was made very quickly after he left Arum. And lastly, can you guys go back and examine who promotes ALL of Pac’s opponents? And finally understand why the fight CANNOT take place?

    todaline on December 3rd, 2013 at 1:33 PM
  46. todaline, you claimed that pacman accused Marquez being naturally bulked up and you were wrong regardless if you think he lets roach speak for him or not. my point was on your remark regarding pacman not about roach.

    kenny on December 3rd, 2013 at 5:28 PM
  47. todaline, “…so let me explain it to you all so that some/any of you won’t do it for me: obviously there are two sides + one here (as with everything else). One that cries foul whenever someone says bad stuff about Pac, and the other does the same about Floyd…”

    Nah, it’s not that simple. there are a lot of fans like me (maybe not on here)that have followed both Pacman and Money for over a decade and know that Floyd has the advantage today but Pacman (more than any other fighter in the division) has the best chance to pull a win with his volume of punches, angles, matched speed, and southpaw stance. Even true pacman fans that know boxing hold these thoughts.

    kenny on December 3rd, 2013 at 6:40 PM
  48. @kenny: and I said, you might be right about it, but an employer, and that is what Pac is to Roach, should not allow his employee to put out statements like that. Remember, they’re “a team”.

    todaline on December 3rd, 2013 at 7:13 PM
  49. Kenny, we’re discussing a hypothetical matchup that will NEVER take place, unless Arum gets out of the way, so the punches, angles, matched speed and all the rest are only good when the guy in front of him CANNOT adapt to all that. As we all know Floyd is the king of adaptation. Another guy who adapts very well is Marquez, and he KO’d Pac once and to many won three more times. Also, you remember that little pitbull from the Dominican Republic, Agapito Sanchez? He adapted, and had Pac QUITTING, looking for the ref for help. Others adapted and knocked Pac out, so you guys keep dreaming about Pac giving angles, punching in combination and so on, but how many fighters who throw a lot of punches suddenly could no longe throw those when facing Floyd? Go back and check, they become extremely tentative in front of the guy. Remember this is not Rios or Clottey.

    todaline on December 3rd, 2013 at 7:24 PM
  50. Right on Agapito, I could hear him whining to referee Denkin.

    Pedro Fernandez on December 3rd, 2013 at 9:09 PM
  51. Todaline,

    Can we agree if Floyd REALLY wanted the fight, he would have found a way to get it done??? Lewis and Tyson FOUND a way to get it done. Throughout boxing history, if they wanted it bad enough, they got it. Pacquiao truly wanted the fight, Floyd, Arum not so much. And, as a fan of boxing and not one fighter, no way in hell was Manny ever going to get into a ring with Williams or Martinez. You know Floyd wasn’t getting in the ring with them either.

    Richard on December 3rd, 2013 at 9:41 PM
  52. Tyson was old, done, smokin’ weed, that wasn’t a fight. Steroid Tests…Manny’s all game for them now, but not 3 years ago. Stop BSing yourself.

    Pedro Fernandez on December 3rd, 2013 at 10:09 PM
  53. Richard, if Pac REALLY wanted the fight he would’ve told Arum to stop bullshitting people and sigh the contract. Instead he kept telling us “my promoter decides, I fight”. Floyd cannot force Arum to sign the contract, and again we have an example where a fighter dumped Arum and fought Floyd easy, no BS. Arum might be the only promoter in the history of boxing who’d rather stick it to an enemy than make loads of money with him. See, these are facts. All the things you’ve written so far are OPINIONS. I give you facts, you give us opinions.

    todaline on December 3rd, 2013 at 10:30 PM
  54. Todaline, “He adapted, and had Pac QUITTING, looking for the ref for help. Others adapted and knocked Pac out, so you guys keep dreaming about Pac giving angles, punching in combination and so on, but how many fighters who throw a lot of punches suddenly could no longe throw those when facing Floyd? Go back and check, they become extremely tentative in front of the guy. Remember this is not Rios or Clottey.”

    Did you not read what I said? I said Floyd had the advantage. However, Floyd can be hit. Mosely nearly KO him down, De La Hoya, Zab etc. I think Floyd has the advantage but Pacman ain’t no Cotto, Canelo, or Alverez either.

    kenny on December 3rd, 2013 at 11:28 PM
  55. todaline, “@kenny: and I said, you might be right about it, but an employer, and that is what Pac is to Roach, should not allow his employee to put out statements like that. Remember, they’re “a team”.

    no, I am right about it. Manny has never accused anyone of being naturally bulked up period. AS far as Roach, there are a lot of other trainers that do the same. Do you not follow boxing?

    kenny on December 3rd, 2013 at 11:35 PM
  56. theres a lot of good points on here but lets not forget that HUGE EGOS had a lot to do with this fight not materializing. Fact is, BOTH May and Pac screwed it up…and they STILL cant make this fight happen!..what a joke…you can counter argue BOTH sides all day…BOTH effed it up thats for sure…people want to act as if boxing isn’t dying here in the USA but tell me where is the youth appeal? if they made the right matches all across the board, thats the only chance …the best fighting the best…and right now the ONLY boxing fight the masses want to see IS STILL May vs Pac…so whats the hold up now? feels like a hold up…robbery that is…

    1200 techs on December 4th, 2013 at 12:08 AM
  57. Truth is right here! todaline on point.

    Pedro Fernandez on December 4th, 2013 at 12:08 AM
  58. 1200, the “both sides did it” thing is what’s called false equivalency. It’s designed to be politically correct. Despite the “raggots” and conflation (by that I mean that there were several rounds of negotiations and each round brought its lot of offer and counter offer, and yet most tent to lump all of Floyd’s offer and counter in ONE package) propagated on the internet Floyd only asked for the now infamous drug testing (curious that no one is saying how arrogant and out of bounds is Pac for asking the same NOW), while Pac had a variety of demands. Every time they seemed to be close, Arum would need a big stadium for the “event” or the little scratch on Pac’s face would need 9 months to heal, etc. and again, in a marriage both husband and wife need to work on their differences, and we all understand that if they don’t, then there’s divorce, but we seem unable to understand that Arum has drawn a line that he refuses to cross. That smell of holdup in your nose? Arum’s fart.

    todaline on December 4th, 2013 at 6:15 AM
  59. kenny, I do follow boxing, but what I don’t do is follow boxing as told by Bob “yesterday I was lying, but today I’m telling the truth” Arum and his scribes Iole, Marley and the others on his payroll. You sound like the guys who watch Fox News all day and come tell us about THE truth.

    todaline on December 4th, 2013 at 6:19 AM
  60. BTW, to those who have advanced Curtis Jackson’s (50 cent) word about Floyd, you need to study Mr 50’s modus operandi, to understand why he said what he said. That is just the way he functions, anywhere he went, he stabbed friends and associates in the back and lied about them, create controversies to get ahead. Just study his failed attempt at his joint venture with Floyd and you’ll understand.

    todaline on December 4th, 2013 at 6:23 AM
  61. Here is the truth. Tyson was shot. But he had the balls(or stupidity)to fight Lewis. Hbo vs. Showtime, much like Arum vs. Golden Boy. They got it done, period. I don’t remember them cowering like Floyd. Facts?? Floyd retired(see ducked)rather than fight Margarito, Williams, Cotto, etc. Who was Paul William’s promoter? Deal with facts, not opinions. Take off the blinders, your love for Money and hatred for Pac clouds your judgement. Majority agree with me, as do most other websites. Only Pedro seems to hate Pacquiao, hence all the anti-Manny pro-Floyd articles.

    Richard on December 4th, 2013 at 8:05 AM
  62. Richard, I don’t ever say this, but you are an ignorant passhole!

    Pedro Fernandez on December 4th, 2013 at 11:05 AM
  63. Richard,

    opinion |əˈpinyən|
    noun
    a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge

    Floyd retired(see ducked)rather than fight Margarito, Williams, Cotto, etc

    OK?

    todaline on December 4th, 2013 at 11:26 AM
  64. Todaline: arum lies. we all know this. But dont turn a blind eye to mayweathers doublespeak as well! what happened to calling pac a catchweight king? or he fights my leftovers…ahem cotto, marquez…whats the holdup now, pac has to beat bradley? or pac who? does somebody really need to tell mayweather 99.9% of boxing fans want him to fight Pac?

    On another note, floyd became choosy after castillo…most boxing fans know this…its an OPINION whether or not he did it for the right reasons but you cannot argue there was better opposition at the time he could have fought instead of who he did fight on several occasions…call it soft touches or whatever but its a FACT that cannot be ignored…

    1200 techs on December 4th, 2013 at 4:33 PM
  65. Lol, that definition is great @todaline. @Richard, how many more clear threads of info do you need to see that making the same point over and over again is not working? If you can’t form a solid counter argument, debunk or question something with “FACTS” or at least STRONG & VALID opinion(s)…you’ve basically lost your argument.

    JW on December 4th, 2013 at 5:40 PM
  66. todaline, kenny, I do follow boxing, but what I don’t do is follow boxing as told by Bob “yesterday I was lying, but today I’m telling the truth” Arum and his scribes Iole, Marley and the others on his payroll. You sound like the guys who watch Fox News all day and come tell us about THE truth.”

    won’t argue on bob. that’s obvious. the man is all about his interests when it comes down to it.

    fox news? lol nah, I just used to box and have been watching the sport for decades.

    kenny on December 4th, 2013 at 8:06 PM
  67. Richard,”Only Pedro seems to hate Pacquiao, hence all the anti-Manny pro-Floyd articles.”

    While Pedro has been greatly off on Pacman (from his case about Pacman never fought a black American boxer, which he dominated both Moseley and Bradley, to dangerous Rios), I wouldnt say he hates Pacman. If anything, he hates the ignorant Pac fans that are completely biased.

    kenny on December 4th, 2013 at 8:11 PM
  68. Shane way old and he didn’t dominate Bradley. Look, Rios fought like his “wife” depended on it, like somebody was holding his family hostage.

    Pedro Fernandez on December 4th, 2013 at 9:17 PM
  69. 1200, while you make solid points about Mayweather’s “double speak”, we all know that it is more about posturing to gain an upper hand than flatly rejecting the fight. It’s called the art of negotiating (I know, you all gonna call me names and ask me to take my mouth off Floyd’s reproductive organ, but you all should read Sun Tzu’s Art of War, you’d understand all of it). It’s also very different than, “we need a big stadium that’ll take nine months to build”, I need to know when the tests start, when they’ll end, what time of the day and what days they’re coming”, “I’m refusing the tests for religious reasons, oh wait, because I’m afraid of needles, oh wait, blood drawing makes me weak, oh wait, it affects my sperm count and as a christian it is my solemn duty to procreate, ” I have a little scratch on my forehead and it’ll take 9 months to heal so I cannot fight you”. This is not negotiating or trying to gain an upper hand, this is giving EXCUSES to avoid a fight.

    todaline on December 5th, 2013 at 7:26 AM
  70. Pedro, I see you call plenty of people ‘Passholes’. Unfortunately, I enjoy reading unbiased articles from your other writers, and still enjoy CRold’s work.

    Richard on December 5th, 2013 at 8:56 AM
  71. Kenny, you are probably right about Pedro, but it does affect his visions on Pacquiao….

    Richard on December 5th, 2013 at 8:57 AM
  72. Gents, since I’m full of verve today, let’s talk about this utter nonsense that is “the fighters of today could not compete with fighters of yesteryear”. We all know idolatries past figures, boxers, politicians etc, they’re all better, stronger, more intelligent than today’s crop of the same. When SRR was boxing he was seen as not as good as his predecessors and the same happened to every boxer, singer, politician, pilots, heck, even prostitutes of eras past were said to be better than today’s. But is it so? The only way to know would be to travel back in time. Now, with that being said, I think what’s at play, the reason we believe what we believe are the written sad spoken words. One profession that’s been pauperized is journalism. Back in the days, journalists knew how to write, how to form a sentence, how to describe the events before their eyes, how to romanticize brutality and turn a bar room brawl into a grandiose, epic fight. In those days, Americans knew how to read and write, therefore how to understand what they’d heard or read, they knew how to capture the essence of what the phrase, chapter or article said. Nowadays, in the tweets world, a sentence more than 5 words long gives people headaches, which brings them to RELY oh lazy journalists to tell them what to think.

    todaline on December 5th, 2013 at 9:03 AM
  73. JW, since Todaline CAN’T see the truth, here is an Wiki for your reading on Floyd’s retirement. Close enough to a fact for you now???? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather,_Jr.

    Just about every other website will confirm Wiki’s page, but honestly don’t need to send you twenty different links. My original point says Manny never ducked anyone. You sent me a link where you accuse Manny of ducking Mosley. He fought Clottey and Margarito, so we will have a differing view of this. I will concede this, however. Margarito, Williams, Cotto, and Mosley were trying to shame Money into a fight, as was Martinez lately. He finally fought two of them, but NEVER was getting in a ring with Cement man or Paul! Most Floyd guys I know will now readily admit this. They also are starting to question ‘Why Khan instead of Pacman?’

    Richard on December 5th, 2013 at 9:10 AM
  74. Todaline: you can also argue Pac DID NOT want to be dictated to because he WAS the A Side along with the part time fighter at the time. Remember, Pac was getting bashed through the media at the time regarding PED’s. They tried negotiating from a 24 day window(pacs side) v.s. a blood testing 14 days before a fight (which initially Mayweather was ok with). Like you said. BOTH sides kept trying to have the upper hand! That’s what happens when you have huge EGOS, both the A SIDE at the time (not to be confused with A Side Meth, the imaginary miracle PED thought up of R. Mayweather). Pac takes mayweather to court for defamation. It is extremely hard to win a case by defamation. Pac did. So what does that tell you? Sure pac is suspicious but tell me, how many of these boxers AREN’T suspicious? You can point a finger at EVERY SINGLE TOP FIGHTER but that’s a whole different story.

    It’s useless now to argue because the fight DID NOT HAPPEN. Right now, Mayweather wants Arum to step aside and let GBP handle the promotions IF they were to make this fight happen now. Mayweather IS the A Side and pac the B side so now that point resonates. But not 3 years ago when that fight mattered. When all said and done, this NON FIGHT, is the biggest hot garbage in boxing that creates animosity amongst fans. It’s stupid to say the least.

    1200 Techs on December 5th, 2013 at 11:44 AM
  75. BTW Todaline, I have read the Art of War by Sun Tzu…to sum up his words “the best way to win a war is by not fighting” …hmmmm….

    1200 techs on December 5th, 2013 at 12:11 PM
  76. @Richard, no one is arguing that Floyd could not be seen as someone who ducked Margarito or Williams. But, iif you are using that logic then it also applies for Pacquiao, with everyone he failed to face at all or at the “right time”. What stopped him from facing Williams? Martinez (since you brought him up, didn’t he call out Manny too)? Mosley after he destroyed Margarito? When you start to ask those questions you will see that political affiliations and politics play a larger role than whether a fighter has balls or not. I assume this is what you’re trying toppoint out as a difference between Floyd and Manny. The guy who consistently fights opponents coming off losses and have been proven to be vulnerable. And as todaline has mentioned, had also had a litany of excuses for avoiding a fight with Floyd.

    JW on December 5th, 2013 at 1:22 PM
  77. JW, let’s say, Floyd drops the testing up to fight time, and goes with the 14 day cut-off requested by Pacquiao. Does the fight happen????

    Richard on December 5th, 2013 at 2:12 PM
  78. Also, JW, I have said openly that Pacman had no desire whatsoever to fight Martinez or Williams, stating they were too big. I have no problem with that, especially a guy who started at 108. Truthfully, what he did coming up in weight is unbelievable. My original arguement was who has ducked tough fights. Manny has fought as an underdog quite a few times, also losing a few. Maybe Floyd isn’t scared of Pacquiao(Floyd Sr. sure as hell was), but he is terrified of losing that 0. Also, if he wanted the fight bad enough, sign the papers and make Manny backpedal. We both know that wasn’t ever gonna happen.

    Richard on December 5th, 2013 at 2:20 PM
  79. 1200, A side meth is not a myth, however whether it has anything to do with getting athletes in tip top condition, I don’t know. Pac was NEVER the A side in the negotiations, NEVER, We could argue that they were on equal footing, and even that is a stretch, but A side he never was. And how can you say that Pac won a case (he probably did, but who knows?) when it was settled out of court? Were you privy to therms no one knows? Who tells you that he did not drop the case or considering some evidence decided to not pursue it? From what we know, each side had to pay their own court costs? If Pac had won, don’t you think he would’ve made Money pay the lawyers and other costs? Now regarding this whole thing, my contention from the beginning is that Arum never had any intention of putting Pac in the ring with Floyd. Remember at the time Pac was basically his main ticket to the bank. Was he crazy enough to lose the ticket? No way.

    todaline on December 5th, 2013 at 2:58 PM
  80. Richard, I want facts, not a text describing someone’s opinion on someone’s “retirement”. And BTW, don’t start believing everything you see on Wikipedia. Do you know that there are millions on erroneous pages on wiki? Do you know how many times they had to correct, retract, delete, erase, etc, pages, portions of texts because of mistakes? And you know why? Because YOU and I, and Pedro, and KP, and 1200, and JW, and my father, and my mom, and my sons, you get it, can open an account on Wikipedia and publish some rubbish. so NO, the answer to your: “Close enough to a fact for you now????”, is a resounding NO. Come back with facts.

    fact |fakt|
    noun
    a thing that is indisputably the case: she lacks political experience—a fact that becomes clear when she appears in public | a body of fact.

    Compris?

    todaline on December 5th, 2013 at 3:07 PM
  81. This is an endless debate, but I love it. To address your points Richard, Floyd did ask for a 14 day cut off, and you know what Manny and Arum did? They turned that down and signed on to face Joshua Clottey at Cowboys stadium, it’s covered here: http://ringtalk.com/manny-pacquiao-floyd-mayweather-steroids-drugs-boxing . They wanted 24 days (see you’re arguing without facts), and only said that because a video surfaced with Pacquaio getting testing (for a disease screen) done 24 days before another fight he had, against Hatton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feaiavf7KwY – scroll to :32 sec). The only difference is that they weren’t screening for drugs. At the end of the day as long as Manny is with Top Rank it’s not going to happen. He has been a cash cow and everyone knows that he will probably lose to Floyd, but the drama behind this thing is what makes it so intriguing.

    JW on December 5th, 2013 at 6:42 PM
  82. “That mother***** is on the A-side meth, that’s what the f*** he’s on,” “It’s called the A-side meth. He on that or he on something else. The A-side meth is what they used to have 500 years ago. Remember when the Philippines were fighting the US soldiers? They were shooting them motherf****s with 45s. And 45s were bouncing off their motherf****ng a$$. They weren’t even dying!” — Roger Mayweather

    ahahahaha…HIGHlarious!…boxing Memes needs to do a Meme on that one…funny af….o.k… joking aside… please tell me Todaline..What is A Side Meth? I’m seriously curious

    regarding the out of court settlement. you’re abseloutly right. it was kept confidential.

    here’s what the Mayweather’s had to say through a mediator
    “(they)wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs, nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.”

    What was made public is that Mayweather had to pay over 100K for not showing up to ccourt due to his “busy” training schedule. It’s open to interpretation on who won that one.

    My point is BOTH had faults in this fight not taking place and yes arum is a big part of the problem but I will have to disagree with you that it was only Arum’s fault. Pacquiao was not the first fighter the public wanted mayweather to fight and it didn’t happen. We can have different opinions on why he retired, but Welterweight division was extremely hot when he did. He could’ve took on other competitors during diferent times but instead, went with the likes of brussles, mitchell (who kostya already tko’d in short time)and baldomir. I wanted to see him ffight casamayor to but he took on castillo so that I can’t really say anything about.

    I just want to see him fight the best and he proved he can do that when he took on Canelo and wiped him out. I actually enjoy watching Mayweather but I want to see him seek out the best if he is going to retire for good.

    1200 Techs on December 5th, 2013 at 8:09 PM
  83. 1200, IT IS NOT OPEN to ANY interpretation. The case was settled out of court, with confidentiality agreement in place. What it is open to is SPECULATION, and speculate you do. One mistake you make is equate both sides ( typical American behavior, where you have to say both sides did it so you can appear to be impartial). One said has a fighter who makes his own decision, the other has a fighter who cannot put his foot out of the door without asking Arum for the weather, and Arum being the decider and having pledged to never do business with both Floyd and Oscar, how can you not see where is the hiccup? Another mistake you make is to say that a fighter HAS to fight who you decide he must. These guys are the ones who decide who they should fight, not you nor me ( do not speculate on the last sentence, I have answers ready to fly). Should we decide for you on your life? One way you can show him you disagree with his choice, the same way you could do with your supermarket, your cable company, internet company, insurance, gas, doctor, etc, is by NOT buying their services, and if there are enough people/customer to do that, they/he either relent and do what you want, or go out of business, but you’re so busy tuning in to finally see the guy spanked (only to come back and claim you knew the opponent had no chance, was too green, too early in his career, a bum, even though you praise Pac for fighting the same, usually after Floyd has fouht them). May your day be sweet.

    todaline on December 6th, 2013 at 5:39 AM
  84. Todaline,

    Here are some facts. Your favorite fighter is Floyd. You are blind to anyone criticizng him. Arguing with Floydnuts is as bad as arguing with Pacnuts. A few facts for you without links. One more fact. If I was you, step away from the bridge or tall buildings.

    After the Hatton fight….”I don’t know if I’ll fight again. I’m not going to let boxing retire me. I’ll retire from boxing. I accomplished all that I could as a fighter. Now it’s time to be a promoter.”, SAID FLOYD MAYWEATHER~~~

    RIP Todaline—-Apparently your hero didn’t feel like topping the big boys, opinion, or common sense???

    Richard on December 6th, 2013 at 9:56 AM
  85. JW, Floyd stated yesterday he would never fight Pacquiao while he is with Arum. Floyd would more than likely beat Manny at this point. WHY NOT TAKE THE MONEY???? I’m confused on that one, I hate a contractor I used to work for, but if he offered me a job which would pay me an alltime high, for supposedly easy work, why would anyone turn it down???

    I’ll have to get back to your cut-off date argument after researching it a bit more. I was under the impression Pacquiao finally agreed to the 14 day cut-off, but then Floyd said too late, now it is right up to fight night. Again, let me research this a bit, and I enjoy the conversation immensely……

    Richard on December 6th, 2013 at 10:01 AM
  86. Richard, you seem to have serious problems understanding the word FACT. I am NOT defending Floyd, I am defending the truth, a truth you seem oblivious to, and anyone who disagrees with your views is insulted. You said a few facts and give ONE opinion (a few is usually 3, where are the other 2?) Then you come back with a snark calling it a fact. What don’t you understand about the word fact?

    todaline on December 6th, 2013 at 2:27 PM
  87. Todaline: You really like to lecture don’t you? so please tell me about A Side Meth..that I want to hear about. i enjoy history.i really do want to know what that is.

    your speculation on why I watch floyd and generalizations are laughable…

    its funny how locked and loaded you are in defending EVERYTHING under the sun mayweather…of course fighters decide who they want to fight..but when fighters decide not to fight the best, EXPECT real fight fans to feel they’ve gotten their titty twisted. dont give me that mumbo jumbo about business this and that because I could give a rats ass. you nor I don’t see a dime of that. beating de la hoya was what made mayweather drop in on the scene. prior to that, there were some matchups that could’ve been made at 140 and 147 that didnt happen. shoot, people forget that stevie johnston vs castillo was the upset of the year and johnston did just as good against castillo as mayweather did! if you don’t know these things by now, forget about it. its called careful matchmaking, and pac did it too.

    i’m sure you want to write an article regarding on why mayweather is the goat, and why everything wasn’t necessarily better in the past regarding boxing and other things…its all good… be and let believe…

    anyways, its was cool debating with you. love ringtalk because the posters are typically much more respectful and knowledgable…and great writers of course!

    1200 techs on December 6th, 2013 at 2:40 PM
  88. Why not take the money? Floyd is the “money” here. Arum is not cutting a check, Golden Boy and Mayweather are. That is their perspective…see the problem? What you should ask (again, a consistent theme of attacking one side for a dually responsible set of issues) is why didn’t Manny take the money (40 million offered by Floyd)? He is the one having tax issues and people are reporting that he has financial issues in general. Why is the ownness on Floyd to accept an offer when he’s been in the position to make offers as the highest paid athlete in the sport. Do some research on the testing, despite many biased reports, Arum and Manny walked away from the initial negiations. A 50/50 split and the only reason was drug testing? Which Manny is doing now anyway? There are only 2 conclusions. Testing was too risky or Arum didn’t want Manny anywhere near Floyd. Maybe both.

    JW on December 6th, 2013 at 6:10 PM
  89. @Richard, another point. If you controlled or were a valuable commodity, would you want to allow others to piggy back and make an exponentially higher amount off the commodity then what they put in it? Mayweather is the biggest commodity in boxing today. All Arum has been doing is putting Manny in with damaged ex Mayweather opponents and using his name before every Pacquiao fight to build buzz. Mayweather has done some of this too…but the fact that we are talking about this here, means that if the fight ever did happen, we’d watch…and if we can’t get it, we’ll still watch them fight other opponents with similar interest. Boxing is a business and both sides are investing in what offers the biggest return and the least amount of risk. Both sides.

    JW on December 6th, 2013 at 6:36 PM
  90. 1200, I cannot tell you about A side meth any more than you can tell me about it (I suppose). And that’s why I posted earlier that it was not a myth. A myth has to be established as such, something invented by someone or a group and ACCEPTED a an illusion, a lie, etc. Can you prove to me that it does not exist? If you cannot it is not a myth (you seem to reach conclusions at warp speed=Pac won a coirt case that was settled out of court, a case no one knows nothing about, and yet you claimed he won it, the same way you’re all over me for the a side meth. If I didn’t know any better I’d say you have an anti Mayweather bias, but I won’t say it, for fear of being accused of pro Mayweather bias). And regarding the fight, you’re still dismissing the main element causing the problem: Bob Arum. Pac DOES NOT decide, Arum DOES, therefore no fight, no fight, no fight.

    And no, I don’t want to write any article on Mayweather’s GOATness, nor any on boxing generally. I come here and have my load of fun and that’s enough. Writing articles (which I did for a time, in other languages) leads to too many confrontation with readers who cannot understand the story. I know it sounds pedantic but hey that’s the truth).

    todaline on December 6th, 2013 at 7:59 PM
  91. Todaline: I took your quote and googled it:

    “A myth has to be established as such, something invented by someone or a group and ACCEPTED a an illusion, a lie, etc. -Todaline”

    I found your website. It’s the 3rd one down. So I guess you were a writer! Saweet!!!! You haven’t updated it though since March 5, 2012! You should get to it!

    http://www.truthism.com/

    1200 Techs on December 6th, 2013 at 10:56 PM
  92. 1200, let’s put the sarcasm aside and stick to the matter at hand. You cannot google AND find what I wrote here before it is “crawled” by Google. The reason is very simple: I think as I write, I don’t use correctors, spellcheckers, nor do I plagiarize. Everything I write is original, and when not it is quoted, so I guess your googling is in the same vein as your “comprehension” on the Pac/May trial. And I’m still a writer.

    todaline on December 7th, 2013 at 2:30 PM
  93. 1200, let’s put the sarcasm aside and stick to the matter at hand. You cannot google AND find what I wrote here before it is “crawled” by Google. The reason is very simple: I think as I write, I don’t use correctors, spellcheckers, nor do I plagiarize. Everything I write is original, and when not it is quoted, so I guess your googling is in the same vein as your “comprehension” on the Pac/May trial. And I’m still a writer. And the link you provide is particularly ironic, considering how fond of conspiracy theories you are.

    todaline on December 7th, 2013 at 2:35 PM
  94. todaline: I come here and have my load of fun and that’s enough. Writing articles (which I did for a time, in other languages) leads to too many confrontation with readers who cannot understand the story.

    Sounds like you contradict yourself there.

    kenny on December 7th, 2013 at 7:06 PM
  95. “A myth has to be established as such, something invented by someone or a group and ACCEPTED a an illusion, a lie, etc. Can you prove to me that it does not exist? If you cannot it is not a myth- Todaline”

    I had to google it just to see who else thought like that. Bam! Website came up, reminded me of that load of crock you came up with! (Look under Man’s Greatest Lie…looks to be IN THE SAME VEIN as your reasoning above)

    Let me break it down for you in Street terms, or laymans terms. This forum is NOT a place to LECTURE. I dont’ want to hear what you mean by a myth or about typical American behavior, or what I do after every Mayweather fight. You are WAYYYY OFFF. Not even close to the TRUTH. If I want the history of words, I have access to the Oxford English Dictionary so I don’t need your lectures!

    When I said Myth, i meant bullspit. Compare Roger Mayweathers accusations and compare what they had to say in court in my past post. Eat your words. Bam. Lost

    When you have to PAY over 100K…that’s a Loss!

    with that, I’ll leave you with some of that Bay Area Funk by the legendary Del the Funky Homosapien… “Boyyyy. Your Stupid! MISTA BOB DOBALINA!”(scratch fade)

    1200 Techs on December 9th, 2013 at 1:02 AM
  96. 1200, why don’t you supply links so everyone can see what you’re saying? There’s no, I repeat no website with that description. You might say that there’s something close to it, but then again there aren’t a million ways to describe/explain a myth, so my explanation might closely resemble someone else’s, but we’re not talking about a Rand Paul’s job here, we’re talking about the meaning of one word and if you’re obtuse enough to call me a cheat because I gave you the right meaning of said word, it shows us all why you have big problems understanding some of the things we’ve been debating.

    You might not want to hear it, but you’re gonna. By typical American behavior I mean that once someone (in this case Arum) has crafted a narrative, a great majority runs with it, not researching, not doing their due dilligence to verify if it is true or not, the sme way we ahd the Iraq war, the weapons of mass destruction, the Iran Contra, nowadays Obamacare, etc.

    And regarding the 100K, it was a fine for not appearing in court. Don’t be intellectually lazy, or worse dishonest. There’s a big difference between being fined, (before the end of the trial) for defying the Judge’s order and therefore being punished for it, and losing a case. Since you like investigating so much, please do me a favor and you’ll see tons of cases where someone got fined for bad behavior and WON thecas. Did that person lose as well, by winning?

    And let me go back and ask you to post the link to my ” plagiarism”. I want to see how good you are.

    todaline on December 9th, 2013 at 5:33 AM
  97. kenny, you seem to be unable to understand what are the differences between different things, so I will no longer debate you, as it is a waste of time. But just for the fun of it please explain the contradiction to us. Just so we can see your severe limitations.

    todaline on December 9th, 2013 at 5:36 AM
  98. 1200, I am very, very disappointed by how obtuse, to the point of being dumb, you are. In order to prove a point that does not exist, you chose the first link on a Google search that you think might help you, and you come back bombarding me with “thrutisms”, and that is why you refuse to provide a link, which breaks all rules of an intellectual debate. Indeed, if you’re accusing someone of something, at least provide proof of your findings so the person you’re accusing can respond. Gentlemen, the link 1200 does not want to provide is: thrutism.com. When someone is starting to dab (or maybe you’ve been a fan of this shit for a long time) in this kind of stuff, it shows how deranged the person is and explains why they won’t acknowledge the truth for what it is. All this time I thought I was debating someone who was honest albeit with a different perspective. Gosh, how ridiculous.

    todaline on December 9th, 2013 at 6:13 AM
  99. correction on last post: to dab should be TO DABBLE.

    todaline on December 9th, 2013 at 7:08 AM
  100. Todaline: talk about being dumb. The link was up there. ITS IN RED! It was sarcasm! geez its not that serious man. I put it up there to lighten it up, for sh*ts and giggles. I’m just messing with you man. NEVER did I say you plagarized. Your generalizations are OFF still! What makes you think you actually know where I stand on those issues (obamacare, iraq war, etc.)I looked up your quote and wanted to find someone put that line of reasoning into context so I can tear that sh@T down. I came across a funny website, and it reminded me of you! Way off…as in outerspace way off!

    FOr instance, it’s not a myth if you cannot prove it isn’t a myth. OK sherlock. How in the world can BULLETS bounce off people? I asked the question to see if you actually had an answer. I already knew the answer! No way something like that exists! At first when you said it wasn’t a myth, I don’t want to get caught up in semantics. Look, like I said, you don’t have to agree with me, but the whole mayweather clan had to publicaly apologize so to me, that in a way is a victory in Pac trying to clear his name. Having to pay due to bad behavior, in this case, not taking the stand for some accusations you made, is a loss in my book. Not yours, but mine it is. Don’t go into a fit just because we don’t see eye to eye on that one.

    I get it. Money may is your man, till death do you part. It’s cool man.

    1200 Techs on December 9th, 2013 at 1:52 PM
  101. In other words yopu got caught red handed and the excuse is you were trying to place a joke. Bravo.

    todaline on December 9th, 2013 at 3:53 PM
  102. Todaline: sure bud. Whatever floats ur boat. Have the last word and cut and paste where i CLAIMED you plaigarized. People can decide if its true or not.

    1200 Techs on December 9th, 2013 at 4:30 PM
  103. you say you don’t want to debate with me then ask me a question. lol

    todaline, you said that you come on this page to “have your load” of fun but then you used to write articles but stopped because it “leads to too many confrontation with readers who cannot understand the story.”

    i’m not debating you in this particular case. just trying to understand what you mean. you posting on hear makes me infer that you like confrontation.

    kenny on December 9th, 2013 at 4:30 PM
  104. kenny, again, you really have problems understanding what you read: “But just for the fun of it please explain the contradiction to us. Just so we can see your severe limitations.” Where’s the question? Here’s what you don’t understand: writing articles on a blog, website, etc, leads to confrontations with people who do not comprehend the text and comment based on erroneous understanding. But I still write, just not on blogs. Here I come to read and talk about boxing, that is all.

    todaline on December 9th, 2013 at 7:14 PM
  105. todaline, you’re funny man. “Just so we can see your severe limitations.” What was that twice you mentioned that? Maybe you have short term memory issues and that’s your severe limitation?

    I love how you love to put people down on here enjoying your high horse of knowledge. Ain’t it funny how I never mentioned any put downs?

    you act like you don’t want to debate with me and then you are asking me to “explain the contradiction.” it’s not a question (per se) but you still want me to explain (after you said “it was a waste of time”) so in turn you can retaliate with another put down or some great explanation to show you’re king on this forum. lol. because after all, it’s not the topic of boxing but having “your load of fun” to stroke that ego of yours?

    kenny on December 9th, 2013 at 10:27 PM
  106. todaline: You might not want to hear it, but you’re gonna. By typical American behavior I mean that once someone (in this case Arum) has crafted a narrative, a great majority runs with it, not researching, not doing their due dilligence to verify if it is true or not, the sme way we ahd the Iraq war, the weapons of mass destruction, the Iran Contra, nowadays Obamacare, etc.

    Yes we gonna hear it alright. lol From Comparing Arum to weapons of mass destruction this is just awesome. Thanks for sharing!

    kenny on December 9th, 2013 at 10:32 PM
  107. Gosh kenny, don’t you see that you’re showing to the whole RT how right I am about people unable to understand what they read? The narratives on weapons of mass destruction and Arum’s own “Floyd’s at fault” is what’ been compared, not the weapons and Arum, the NARRATIVE, the NARRATIVE, the NARRATIVE. I guess you’re a product of Reagan’s war on Education. Did you know that before Reagan gutted said Education, America scored higher than virtually all other countries on academic tests? Did you know that nowadays most third worls countries are ahead of us in those same tests? Dis you know that, although we have “the best health care system in the world (where America IS the world), yet we rank close to 40th among all nations? But the NARRATIVE would tell you something different. And the narrative is what I’ve been denouncing, not defending Floyd.

    todaline on December 10th, 2013 at 5:57 AM
  108. “Did you know that before Reagan gutted said Education, America scored higher than virtually all other countries on academic tests? Did you know that nowadays most third worls countries are ahead of us in those same tests? Dis you know that, although we have “the best health care system in the world…”

    I think you maybe missed a couple caps on the narratives. :-)
    Said Education? Worls? Dis? Maybe you are the product of the post Reagan education regime according to your theory? Oh wait, that’s another narrative I missed. Where were we? Oh yeah, who’s next for Manny? Todaline, you’re great man. Seriously. Btw, don’t drink too much CNN koolaid btw. ;-)

    kenny on December 10th, 2013 at 7:53 PM
  109. The Rep’s have gutted public education, now it’s Food Stamps. That’s not Kool Aid that’s Cruel Aid!

    Pedro Fernandez on December 10th, 2013 at 9:51 PM
  110. Worls=world. Dis=did. It’s called a typo and ti has nothing to do with a lack of education. As you know, on a QWERTY keyboard, the letter S is next to D. In the same post you can also see Did & World, so your point is just to show us how dub you are? So CNN is a liberal channel? And Fox is telling the truth, right? You live in the Murdoch and Aisles world, where misreporting, lying, creating scandals out of fake reporting, cheating, etc, are the norm. That’s what Ruppert does. You might not know, but in England, the closest think to American standards in journalism, he had to close many newspapers outlet due to all that, despite the fact that he’d bribed right wing politicians in power. In America he virtually created the Tea Party, a cancer on this society. And yes, America’s problems started with Saint Reagan.

    Here’s a FACT for you: in the last 5 decades republican presidents created about 23 million jobs in in 28 years, democratic presidents created 28 million jobs in 24 years. Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and plenty of other social programs and laws were created by democratic presidents and furiously denounced as the “end of America if it passes”. All Republicans do is get in woman’s vaginas to save the fetuses so it can grow to xa healthy young man they can send to some war to make them money. You should get out of Fox News’ bubble. Life is good out there. For the record, before I came to the US I used to vote Right, and for 2 years, watched Fox News, listened to Limbaugh and Savage, until the day I started to notice how cranky and out of touch I was and started to study politics. No longer is my bile causing me all sorts of problems.

    todaline on December 11th, 2013 at 5:37 AM
  111. By the way kenny, there probably are some typos, or a missing letter in there. I type on my iPad and don’t proof read, so…

    todaline on December 11th, 2013 at 5:38 AM
  112. Oh yeah, what next for Manny? Unfortunately, and It comes from the hearth, his next fight won’t be against Floyd, but the IRS and its Filipino counterpart. Poor guy, he should’ve listened to Oscar and Floyd, he wouldn’t be in this predicament today. 50 million home and 18 in the US.

    todaline on December 11th, 2013 at 6:02 AM
  113. yup, what’s (what), heart (hearth), it (It), all typos.

    todaline on December 11th, 2013 at 7:22 AM
  114. pedro, stick with what you know man (boxing not education).
    you wanna prove me wrong? go write an article on how the republicans ruined education.

    btw, still disappointed you didn’t have the balls to make a clear prediction in the pacman vs rios fight when I asked you. the best thing you can write about was about who had the better jaws.

    kenny on December 13th, 2013 at 9:34 PM
  115. todaline: “kenny, you seem to be unable to understand what are the differences between different things, so I will no longer debate you, as it is a waste of time.”

    then you write:”Worls=world. Dis=did. It’s called a typo and ti has nothing to do with a lack of education. As you know, on a QWERTY keyboard, the letter S is next to D. In the same post you can also see Did & World, so your point is just to show us how dub you are? So CNN is a liberal channel? And Fox is telling the truth, right? You live in the Murdoch and Aisles world, where misreporting, lying, creating scandals out of fake reporting, cheating, etc, are the norm. That’s what Ruppert does. You might not know, but in England, the closest think to American standards in journalism, he had to close many newspapers outlet due to all that, despite the fact that he’d bribed right wing politicians in power. In America he virtually created the Tea Party, a cancer on this society. And yes, America’s problems started with Saint Reagan.

    Here’s a FACT for you: in the last 5 decades republican presidents created about 23 million jobs in in 28 years, democratic presidents created 28 million jobs in 24 years. Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and plenty of other social programs and laws were created by democratic presidents and furiously denounced as the “end of America if it passes”. All Republicans do is get in woman’s vaginas to save the fetuses so it can grow to xa healthy young man they can send to some war to make them money. You should get out of Fox News’ bubble. Life is good out there. For the record, before I came to the US I used to vote Right, and for 2 years, watched Fox News, listened to Limbaugh and Savage, until the day I started to notice how cranky and out of touch I was and started to study politics. No longer is my bile causing me all sorts of problems.”

    This is great! You don’t even know my political views (what 1 sentence on what you can infer on my political stance? lol) Sounds like you want to debate and waste your time (which you said you wouldn’t do)….not even boxing for that matter. Thanks for the entertainment Todaline and your limited political and boxing views. This has been great!

    kenny on December 13th, 2013 at 9:43 PM

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