US-ANTI DOPING HEAD POINTS FINGER AT MANNY!
February 4th, 2010 By Pedro Fernandez
TYGART IS STRAIGHT & TO THE POINT
San Francisco, CA- In an interview with a Michigan newspaper, Travis Tygart of the US Anti Doping Agency pulled no punches regarding the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather fight falling apart. Having worked with both camps before the event was called off, Tygart had this to say. “Out of respect for both sides I don’t want to get into a ton of detail, but it’s safe to say that the Mayweather camp wanted the carte blanche gold-standard that we run, and the other side (Manny, Bob Arum, Freddie Roach, etc) didn’t want to do that.”
BOTH DESERVE BLAME, BUT MANNY A LOT MORE!
Tygart continues, “The current state testing is a joke. They don’t test for EPO. They don’t test for designer steroids. They test for a simple basic menu that anybody with a heart beat can escape. It (the testing) has to be no ‘notice’ testing.” Tygart went on, “Pacquiao was clearly throughout the negotiations acting like someone hiding something.”
HGH TESTING NOT UP TO SNUFF!
“I’m very skeptical that HGH can be tested effectively for, given in the last Olympics, when the new test rolled out, they didn’t catch anyone.” Tygart also said that the commissions notifying guys 48 hours before a test is dumb. In closing, the Olympic style testing occurs whenever the tester shows up!
Pedro Fernandez
PacRoid = GUILTY!!!
If Manny rejected the tests and thus forfeited one of the richest prize fight in the history of boxing something has to be fishy. If PBF agreed to all the demands, such as Gloves penalties for being overweight etc, there is no quuestion that Pacman is onto something, just like MargaCHEATO, Manny EPO Pacquio will be caught
Why can’t the state of Texas or whatever state Manny is fighting in just have the US anti doping agency do a surprise visit at Manny Pacquiao’s camp and say… “Hey Manny, glad to see you can work the mitts for 30 rounds straight without a break but here, urinate in this cup and lift up your sleeve.” I guarantee he would have a watery bowel movement right then, right there. Either that or he’d start running like a guy on an episode of COPS with the camera guy chasing him while he jumps over fences, brick walls, and looks for an empty plastic swimming pool to hide under. If i was a lottery winner, i would just show up at wildcard gym and offer him 1 million dollars cash to take a urine and blood test right in the middle of his workout. If he really wasn’t guilty, he’d agree. Think of it, 1 million dollars cash just for a small blood sample and a urine test.
Pacroid! Pacroid! Pacroid! Let’s see now, he walked away from 40 million, first because he was scared of needles. Then because he was superstitious. Then it was because he said it made him weak (even though 1000’s of athletes do it all the time). Then it was because he has integrity. Where is his integrity when he messes up on his wife? Or when he gambles relentlessly. Or when he drinks himself into a coma?
Pacroid! Pacroid! Pacroid! Margacheato vs Pacroid in 2010. When Cheaters Collide!
Of course Mayweather was going to agree to the demands. They were his won demands. I am getting tired of this argument on who is to blame here. Bottom line is if these guys couldn’t agree to terms and split almost 80 million dollars they both have only themselves to blame. Floyd didn’t have to request blood testing and Manny didn’t have to refuse the testing protocol so both guys deserve equal blame. I would be reticent to say because Manny didn’t agree to the testing protocol he’s guilty of something. These guys appear like two guys who could screw up boiling a pot of water. If Mayweather wants to be a crusader and clean up the sport so be it…however it doesn’t change the fact that his demands cost him about 40 million. Now he will have to fight Mosely for a fraction of the money in what many can agree is an equally tough fight that he could lose. Then the Pac fight is off the table. What I am wondering is if Mosley wins will he ask Manny to do blood testing? I am not so sure if Mosley is that stupid to make those demands kill the prospect of fighting for what would be the biggest fight of his career. I will say this though…the fighters need to be more concerned about the actual fighter thats in front of them and not whether they have supposed illegal substances in their body. Every fighter is looking for some form of advantage and who knows…a drug thats legal today may become illegal three years from now. In my opinion I don’t think performance enchancing drugs really help guys win their fights. Guys usually end up taking them because they have had injuries in training, or to cut weight…basically to get them back to square 1. I don’t think it makes fighters better than they already are. Just my opinion and I am sure many can agree to disagree with me here. Look at Mosley in his second fight with Oscar…how much did steroids help him there? he looked a bit flat. Vargas? He got his ass kicked against Oscar. What about Mayorga? He looked terrible against De La Hoya. Did James Toney appear to be at his best when he tested positive against Ruiz? The second time Toney tested positive against Batchelder he looked like complete garbage. I am just not sold on the benefits of PED’s for boxers. Yeah sometimes guys use diuretics to cut weight for fights, but normally that is the only way they can successfully make weight and then they get in the ring and look like garbage. i think this is the only sport where you can’t really take any shortcuts….PED’s do not give you a mental edge and thats what the majority of success in boxing is about.
On the one hand, Pac sure has grown a lot lately . How can a guy gain so much weight so quickly without getting in the least bit soft or saggy around the sides? On the other hand, he doesn’t look like a guy that’s on roids. He looks sleek and fit. As another consideration, he probably was undernourished when he weighed 112 pounds, so just eating eggs and drinking milk probably caused him to gain some weight. But the real point is this: Pbf should not be able to use whatever questionmark he has managed to create about this issue as an excuse. That’s lame. Pbf is ALOT BIGGER than Pac. When you are ALOT BIGGER than another guy, you’re not supposed to hide behind steroid allegations.
You got nailed Pac-drug-man
Where r all the pacfools? They don’t want to enter this page at all. Whiner jjor ironhammer? Pacboyfriend jrock I know I’m missing more but where r u with those weak excuses for PAC not to test. He’s to big a star, pbf blew the fight, he’s scared of needles, he gets weakened, he has nightmares, the pinoy tree spirits will be mad? Lol where r u guys
If Pac were beaten by Hatton and Cotto, these talks about steroids wouldn’t have emerged. Just because Pac keeps on beating their top guys, they will say he’s on steroid. They’re running out of excuses. Mayweather plays his psychological game so well and has successfuly made it appear that Pac is the devil. There has not been substantial evidence that Pac used steroids; all these accusations are but product of Floyd’s penchant for cherry-picking his opponents. Change the regulations, better yet change the Nevada Athletic Commission, but don’t bully Pac who doesn’t even know what a steroid looks like.
this is all i need to know , pac is a cheater and it is as simple as that
After Pacman had been awarded as Boxer of the year 2009 and Boxer of the decade, there’s still a few jealous and malicious people spitting venomous trash to dispel what a great boxer had achieved by a chorus or majority votes of sportswriters in America.
You entirely maligned professional boxing especially the State
Athletic Commissions the run it by believing in Tygart of USADA (Amateur, who had not even caught Marion Jones when they were testing a dozen times) and believed in Mayweather, Sr. who floated the steroid idea (who happened to be a convicted drug trafficker). Wake up people and smell the fresh coffee not the unbearable odorous trash!!!
What does sr drug dealing have to do with anything? How long ago was that? U see here in thegreat US of A the greatest country in the world. When u pay ur debt to society you have a second chance to make a life!!!! Everybody has done wrong in their lives ( let he who is sinless cast ye the first stone) we Americans got this system good. And this is our world u people just live in it!!!!!!!!
Kp sorry to ride u so hard before. You have great boxing knowledge and insight awsome points u made
There’s an issue I have to address because pac-haters and pbf-nut-huggers keep trying to score points and though it was funny at first (I do get a chuckle out of some of the wacky theories) the whole thing is starting to get stale. The issue is whether pbf’s victory over the Hitman is at all in any way shape or form equivalent to pac’s victory over the same Hitman. I can tell you, categorically, that it is not. SIZE COUNTS IN BOXING. For Pac to defeat the Hitman is a MONUMENTAL achievement of a little guy over a big guy. Think: Duran beating up real middleweights. For Pbf to beat the Hitman is just getting a victory over a guy his own size. If Pbf deserves a brief round of polite applause, Pac deserves a standing ovation together with calls of “encore.” To equal Pac’s achievements, Pbf would have to enter and win the Showtime Super Middleweight tournament. Even the most deluded Pac-hater or Pbf-nut-hugger will have to admit that due to the size differences there is absolutely no comparing their victories over people like the Hitman.
I am with KP, they both deserve blame. But if Mayrunner was such a crusader for drug testing, was it in place when he fought De La Hoya?? Hatton??? Marquez?? Sorry, ran out of credible opponents for Fraud in the last five years, these three, besides Oscar being 50 and Marquez having to put on 20 pounds, but hey, thats not the point. NEVER once did he ask for drug tasting. Some crusader, ask for tests against a guy who you know can smack ya around. And Pacman, right or wrong, stuck to his guns, when I wish he would have took the tests and smashed this fraud.
That’s what I am saying, dispel the rumour, take the test smash PBF and lay it all to rest, if not Shut the F’up and let the whole world think that u r a cheater. As far as PBF goes, he chose a fighter just as dangerous as pac man if not more, this is the same fighter (mosley) that Pac & Roach avoided at all costs, Sugar was willing to starve and starch himself to whatever weight that Pacroid and Roach wanted, yet they did not want any part of shane. PBF fighting Mosley proves that he is not just cherry picking his opponents, I guarantee that if Sugar beats PBF and Pacroid beats clottey, Roach & Pac will never agree to a fight with Sugar
I went from 120-130lbs in my teens to 130-140lbs in my early 20s to 140-150lbs in my late 20s early 30s. And this was all at miniscule levels of body fat (6%) and scary lower body muscle development (competitive amateur cycling). My strength also skyrocketed from teens to late 20s-30s. I was far stronger and just as cut at 150lbs as at 120lbs
If I’d been an amateur boxer the weight/muscle gain would have been more pronounced as boxing isn’t as aerobic fitness dependent as cycling and requires greater upper body muscle mass.
I’m just a guy that got into a certain sport at the amateur level. No drugs, no nothing except for riding a bike a lot.
If a guy like me can go from 120lbs to 150lbs and get far, far stronger at an aerobic sport like cycling I see no reason to doubt that it’s possible for Pac to go from 116lb as a teenage fighter to 145lb as fighter in his early 30s in a sport that’s more dependent on strength through the entire body than cycling without juicing it or using HGH.
What is so hard to imagine about a just starting to fight teenager (training not so good, diet not so good) that fought at 116lb growing into an elite level 32 year old that fights at 145lb (well let’s call it 147lb)?
I could care less if Manny takes steroids or not. Just keep kicking ass and taking names. Floyd’s a puss trying to change the rules of boxing like he’s a god or something. Floyd’s scared of Manny and didn’t want the fight anyway. Floyd says he’s been trying to fight Shane for ten years. Bullshit. He got his ass backed in a corner on this one and lost mega bucks that the IRS needs from him. People can say whatever they want but the fact is very simple….Manny has never tested positive for anything.
Back in the middle ages an epileptic seizure was thought to be proof of demon possession, hence the host had dabbled in witchcraft. Mobs of people would gather, judge and burn the poor soul at the stake……without any real proof of anything. Reading many of these comments, I see that nothing at all really has changed after all of these centuries.
Dr. W, we do not allow posts all in CAPS. Please resubmit!
Smoke u still on that green? Who is scared of who? The fight didn’t go through why? Because PAC didn’t want true random testing!!!! Let’s do a rundown and u can check to see the people that were to conduct the testing, which r neutral say PAC was far more truculant about the testing! Pbf gave up ring size, weight, gloves, even purse and all he said from day 1 and still swayed on the cut off and days was true random drug testing. Where is mayweather scared in that instance? He wasn’t scared of needles or getting weak or pacman. Pacman walked away from the table no pbf. Pbf said PAC was the only option. PAC ran. And the funny thing is b4 all that roach arum and PAC were willing to take all and any test. What happened? And for the record I hope and pray that PAC isn’t taking anything. He has litteraly fought his whole life and I hope he wouldn’t get his legacy tarnished, and I don’t think he is. But if u ? My integrity I’ll prove u wrong amd whip ur ass!!!! That’s what champions do ala Lance Armstrong
Rios, if Pacman is on steroid, do you think these american writers are dumb enough to award him Fighter of the Year and Fighter of the Decade”? Probably only a few jealous and malicious fans would cast a doubt on this super achiever fighter. Who is Floyd to impose steroid testing against Pacman, a p4p fighter, no record of illegal drug use? Does he have the authority to do so and not the State Boxing Commission? Or he is just afraid to face Pacman. Floyd, a noted Xylocaine user, should clean his backyard first before he talks on cleaning boxing by not using Xylocaine, totally banned by 49 states in America.
This Travis Tygart is a joke, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He said NSAC blood test is a joke. Had Shane Mosley been tested by USADA, they will caught him. Hellloooooo.USADA did not caught Marion Jones who used the same BALCO drugs and he has the audacity to say that USADA’s test is better.Wow.
To set the record straight about this Olympic style blood tests, it is NOT random blood test per se, but random SELECTION of ATHLETES for blood testings.After an athlete was selected and informed, the athlete must submit himself for blood testing within 48 hours window.So where is the random blood test there?
In the last Beijing Olympics, there were 11,186 athletes that participated and there were 1000 blood tests done and 4000 urine tests. So out of almost every 12 athletes, only 1 was blood tested and out of almost every 12 athletes, only 4 had urine tested. So Pacman camp’s proposal of 3 times to be tested is even better or equal in ratio.
Also this kind of test is prone to be abused by the person in authority. As example, why the Jamaicans athletes ( Asafa Powell and Usama Bolt )were targeted for blood testings.Asafa Powell was blood tested 4 times and he claimed those blood tests had weakened him.
As far as I know, athletes being tested several times, are those athletes whose initial blood test suggest that the athlete was using PED’s.Now, if there was nothing in the initial test of Asafa Powell, isn’t it that the succeeding tests of Asafa was just a pure abuse of the protocol. I hope the action of the OIC was based on the blood test results and not due to a biased view against the Jamaican athletes. And how about the American athletes, as the main rival of the Jamaicans in the track and field in the last Beijing Olympics, how many times they were blood tested.
USADA blood test is mainly done to target HGH, but a person who took HGH will START to have benifits two months after the initial injection, so what’s the point to have blood test within 30 the days before the fight,wherein there’s no benefit for the athlete about this HGH. The proper time for this HGH test is 1 to 4 months before a fight, the same time frame to what pacman camp’s had proposed.
Power is not everything in boxing, otherwise, the Valuev-Hayes fight should have not been allowed and the result of that confirmed this. George Foreman should have knocked out Mohammad Ali instead of getting knocked out. It’s the ability and style of the boxer that wins fight.
Now going back to this Travis Tygart, I wonder why he has to peddle the USADA protocol and services to almost all the major sports bodies, which for a reason or another rejected USADA’s approach. I wonder why he has to ride on the whimps of FMJ. Is it about USADA, although a gov’t agency, it’s budget is not secured and in hard economic time like now, USADA existence is on precarious position. Therefore, Is it about your pay checks and not the athletes as your main concern ha Mr Tygart? Are you trying to make USADA appears relevant to justify it’s existence, to maintain it’s budget and make it permanent, ha, is it? I really wonder why?
Now if I am a fighter, why will I submit myself for a test by an agency whose head had implied that FMJ is clean, a well known user of Xylocaine injection, which WADA had deemed illegal to be used in sports.Whoa! Never!
What about epo doc? Will that help an athlete exceed their natural abilties? I believe that if ur stamina is somewhat limitless then that should help tremendously in a combat sport.
This freaking PACROID is getting me really upset. Everybody knows he’s doing steroids…but all they care is money and ignorant kids screaming for him.
When they will show respect for us?
This is simple Mayweather should(if he indeed beats Mosley) go to the commission of las vegas and voice his concerns for them to have the special testing if they agree and Pacman does not want to do it then… I think suspicion of drug use will be understandable… but there is too much accusing with no real evidence… I think this is just a ego issue and the fight will happen next since Mosley will proably take a blood test before walking out to the ring and I think manny will have to give in one this one ,when and if he Floyd start the negotiations again.But until then…people just chill out!
rios the idiot, i’m not a pac fan at all. as usual your lack of reading comprehension makes you look stupid again because i never said that. keep my name out of your mouth and stop stalking me you uneducated weirdo.
one thing i want to know is where is gilberto_roman aka boxing_guru? he has rode mosley’s nuts over the past year, even saying he should be banned from boxing. now shane is taking gayfeathers little tests while his lover pac would not. “the guru” won’t ever chime in on this one, i guarantee.
EPO urine test already existed and implemented in the 2004 Athens Olympics, so those words coming from Travis Tygart are all bull-shits. EPO makes the body to produce more erythrocytes( red blood cells) from the bone marrows and may induced the liver and spleen as well. Only matured RBC can effectively deliver the needed oxygen to the cell components of the body and RBC matures in 7-8 days.So EPO is NOT a magic formula that will benefit an athletes in minutes.
EPO, like Androgenic-Anabolic Steroids and HGH, are double edges swords and EPO is one of the most dangerous PED’s in use.It can do more harm than good to an athlete.It makes the blood thicker. An athlete who had taken EPO and doing strainous training exercises are susceptible to developed blood clot that may cause stroke or heart attack that may lead to death of the athlete, especially during the following two weeks it was taken. We already heard a lot of well conditioned athletes dying while training and one possible consideration for the cause of death,in my opinion, was the use of EPO in some of those cases.
I work in a medical facility that we can avail of all blood tests for free and in the past 15 years I have a lot blood tests,having test almost every 6 mos., as diabetes runs in our family(thanks God,up to now i don’t have)and to check all other vital informations my blood will show. In those 15 years, the same guy did withdrawn blood from me.Sometimes it will just hurt a little that will just last for a day and sometimes it hurt more and lasted for for a few days. One time that it hurted more,(that time blood was taken on my left arm and I’m a left handed and a strong hitter too), I made a mistake of playing tennis for two hours,during the heat and excitement of the play, I did not feel the pain but after we played I started to feel the pain and it got worst the following day.For the whole week it was painful.
So imagine what will happen to Pacman and other strong punchers, having a not so ideal needle prick in their arms while under training for a fight.
It’s so easy to say, it just a needle prick and a 5 ml of blood without experiencing it yourself. So for all Pacman doubters why not have a needle prick and a 5 ml of blood withdrawn on your strong arm and do what Pacman do in a training day, shadow box as furious as you can, punches the mitts and the punching bag as hard as you can. If you did survived it, do it again after 2 days and again if you survived do it after another 2 days, afterall this is what USADA wants that you agreed, unlimited and unscheduled blood tests.
A fair warning though, it could be a dangerous experiment, because it may cause you to developed blood clot, that may caused you a stroke and possible death,espcially if the needle had pricked one of the one-way valves in your vein or may be nothing will happens at all to you as you said, just a mere inconvinience. We wil not know it for sure unless one of you guys stand up and put his money where his mouth is right.
So any takers, come on guys, it’s just a needle prick and 5 ml of blood.
Iron-homo ur the stalker man lol. Where have I said ur a manny fan? Even 1 better where have I posted ur name on this whole page. I know ur obsessed with me I need to send u a pic lol. Talk boxing not me get a life man or woman?
I said ur a pacfool!!! Why r u soo mad? Wait it doesn’t MATTER why!!! I told u b4 we don’t care what u think!!!!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ur a joke
Nother thing iron-homo don’t slander guru when he’s not even here to defend himself! That’s what seperates us the real men from u the iron-homo!!!!! Guru has forgotten more about boxing than ull ever know
Thanks Doc very insightful and explanitory. So the test Floyd request are erelivant and the substances he wants to find are obtainable through other methods. Well hopefully the people advising both fighters can reach a reasonable agreement. Thanks Doc
Roberto rios: “What does sr drug dealing have to do with anything? How long ago was that? U see here in thegreat US of A the greatest country in the world. When u pay ur debt to society you have a second chance to make a life!!!!”
Roberto, since you are so American, what happened with innocent until proven guilty? You ride pac like he is on something before one shred of evidence has been presented and then you say it’s all about public opinion. Well Sr. being a convicted drug dealer, doesn’t that rightfully screw up his public image as well? you can’t have it both ways. And newsflash, the united states DOES NOT own the world. If anything, the government owns you!
Floyd probably walks around at five pounds heavier thab what Pac walks around at. Pac fights at 147 now. hes filled out. Floyd also fights at 147. 7 years ago floyd was fighting at 130. Give up the Floyd is bigger argument.
Say it ain’t so techs. Read my post I said many a time I don’t think PAC is roiding, and I’ve said I hope he isn’t. I just feel that if ur not and u think somone is shitting on ur name u should take the test to shut them up. And yes I’m proud to be an American and also of puerto rican lineage. But nobody owns me! I own and earned my citizenship through birthright, and service to my country! And I say if a man has been jailed for a crime and paid his debt heshould be given a second chance. I say tha on refference to some retard that slandered pbf’s dad sr because according to him he is a convicted drug dealer and should not be heard or have an opinion. I believe in god and all except 1 sinned and did wrong Adam, Abraham, David, Jacob so who r we to judge when we all make mistakes. I pray that PAC isn’t roiding he has done soo much for the sport and I will say him not pbf is carrying boxing right now!!!! But he is bringing suspicion upon himself by not testing. If my honor was in ? I’d take the test bust my ass training and do a number on anybody who doubts my resolve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No techs we own the world man everybody else just lives in it. Trust me
Roberto: Well the fact you have to pay taxes, swear in to military service, etc. pretty much means the govt. owns you and I! only two things for sure in life and that’s taxes and death…Regarding owning the world, idk about that. Try telling that to a canadian, european, or asian…
lets see rios, I “need a life or a woman,” and i am “stalking” YOU but you just dropped 3 consecutive posts about me on this site? you are one obsessive compulsive weirdo. tell you what pal, you ignore me and i will continue to ignore you. you really are a waste of time. the nice thing is big mouths like you usually burn out at some point or another and are never seen from again. no one can keep up this level of post whoring forever.
as for what i say about gilberto_roman aka guru, what is it any of your business? i’ve said things about him to his face and if he isn’t here now, who cares? mosley should be kicked out of boxing according to him but he has no take on pac? funny that you’d defend one of the biggest pac jock riders this site has ever seen. and as for people “knowing more about boxing than i do, forgottten more than you’ll ever know, blah blah (enter whatever overused cliche you usually use when someone disagrees with your opinion),that means a hill of beans to me. i watch and enjoy the sport, i could give a rats ass who knows more about boxing than i do much less some silly college student who has never been to a live fight like roman, who spouts his uselsss stats and info here. not impressive in the least to me. and you are in zero position to tell others what they know about boxing since you have zero knowledge on the sport and cant have an impartial opinion or keep your emotions out of it. heres the first thing you should learn — boxing is a subjective sport not everyone will agree with you. if you coule get a handle on that maybe someone would mistake you for a real fight fan and not a jones/cotto/trinidad(i think we see now why he likes guru) mayweather nuthugger.
one other thing — like i said before, people like you ruin boards like this. telling people they know nothing about boxing only discourages some from posting here. myself, i couldn’t care less since i know thats a nice out for people when someone disagrees with their opinions. but some more casual readers see jerks like you post that stuff and they won’t post. that goes double for your boy guru, another cyber bully. i doubt anyone would be at ringtalk if they “knew nothing about boxing.” they would choose one of the newer sites with their annoying “forums” and more moderators than actual posters. this isn’t usually where squares or casual fans come. this site has been around for a long time. longer than you have. get over yourself.
Alright iron u managed to confirm u don’t ride or seem to care much for either of the generations best 2 fighter. So what fighter do u like and respect?
i respect them all. sadly, i was a mayweather fan until about 2002 until he began wasting his talent and also putting on his phony act. it doesn’t bother me because i know its fake, but its brought a bunch of squares onto his bandwagon that are annoying to listen to.
Oh ok now I see where ur coming from. U don’t like the clown mayweather. The boxer when in the ring u respect. But outside no!! Ok then and I agree
with u 100 percent. And I’ve said b4 the sh-t is annoying. He’s like the kanye west of boxing. And I HATE kanye west, but at the same time I respect his creativity as a musician. You see where I’m coming from now. I’m just tired of this website being run over by pacfools!!! And I love pacman but like u say there are 2 sides to every argument. But most these people don’t make relivant points. And most these people first saw PAC fight against morales pt 2, even these pinoys knew nothing about PAC until his 2nd or 3rd fight with morales. All of asudden they know where manny grew up amd they know his mom and they know he is clean. Then the pbf bashing is old I say that when the fight comes off pbf is gonna school PAC corner stoppage 10 to 11 rounds. That’s my oppinion so we shall see. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rios,
i saw some of pac’s fight, he still fight the same, punches in bunches, but roach did some tech adjustment & discipline, b4 pac would never stop punching until the opponent gets ktfo…. now he waits for freddie’s go signal if & when to ko his opponent, most pinoys already knew pac cause his fights back then were on TV and pinoys love him because of his style of fighting, so please dont say that pinoys know nothing about him b4 morales pt 2
mayweather’s act doesn’t bother me. its fake for the most part. its done for the cameras. the guy isn’t like that when the cameras are off. its the new floyd fans that were never fans of his pre 02′ or so when he was a quiet guy in front of the cameras that bug the shit out of me. these are classless thugs for the most part and they have come out of the woodwork lately. they aren’t boxing fans. you’ll see a few on boxing boards but most of them don’t know boxing boards exist and don’t have any interest in discussing boxing. you will see them on sites like yahoo when floyd makes an occasional appearance on their front page or places like youtube where there are squares galore. they aren’t any different from oscar’s groupies from way back or groupies of other popular fighters, they’re just different. pac has his real fans and his bandwagoners who hopped on after morales or de la hoya or cotto fights. i agree with the post above for the mist part. not all pac fans are bad. not all oscar’s, floyd’s or whoever’s fans are bad. but its the bad ones that stand out and give everyone a bad name.
Ironhammer,
You know who Gilberto-Roman is? I mean, you’ve seen him face to face, and you didn’t smack him? That takes a lot of self discipline. That guy has deluded himself into thinking he’s judge and jury on all things boxing. We have been waging war over Pac for almost a year now. I think he just wants to “win” the debate. Much respect.
DA SKERGE
skerge, no, i don’t know the gilberto_roman kid in real life. but i do know that gilberto_roman is now the self professed “boxing_guru” after changing his name. earlier in this thread i asked where roman was because he has said nothing about pac in regards to this issue but has taken the liberty of bashing shane mosley at every opportunity for around a year or longer, even saying that shane should be banned from the sport. now shane is taking the tests manny wouldn’t and roman is nowhere to be found. roberto rios told me not to saying anything about him when he wasn’t here because roman “has forgotten more about boxing that i will ever know,” and i just meant that i have said things to him when he was here. also, i will show roman the same respect he has shown others here, and that is none. if hes not here to defend himself, tough. I have seen your battles with that guy over pac issues recently and it is all too familar. who hasn’t been involved in a sparring match with that blowhard over something pac or trinidad related over the past couple of years? and yes, he refuses to respect others opinions and is under some impression that the guy who gets the last word wins. theres one on every boxing message board. what can you do?
Ironhammer,
Thanks for clarifying. I know where he’s at though. He’s arguing with me on an old thread. I brought up the fact that Mosley was never “caught cheating”, and that Mosley said he didn’t know he was taking PED’s. I told him he was being “selective” in trusting Pac when Pac says he doesn’t know what PED’s are, but won’t believe Mosley. No response yet. Your right, kid has no respect.
SKERGE
so he’s still somewhere on this site? thats interesting and means he’s avoiding these pac doping threads for a reason. i wouldn’t expect someone who has “forgotten more about boxing than the rest of us will ever know” to weasel out of discussions. his answer to your post will probably be the predictable “mosley admitted using to a grand jury, blah blah…and pac did not.” remember, you’re dealing with a future scumbag lawyer here, he will spin it however he needs to in order to “win” the discussion.
Ironhammer,
Yeah, you know his “style”. He’ll answer a question with an illogical an not critically thought out question, slant what you say, be vague, and misquote you. I hope he never passes the BAR.
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On a side note the guru’s biggest groupie roberto rios stopped posting in this thread but is still attacking me unprovoked in any floyd related thread he posts on. i show up in a recent floyd thread to find that scumbag attacking me and dropping my name out of nowhere. pretty random but this goes to show you guru has his little lemmings made up of floyd and pac fanatics. he is sort of their talking head. when they cant handle themselves leave it to ol guru to drop a bunch of useless facts and figures and mumbo jumbo and hope his opponent leaves the discussion. then his cheerleaders like rios can tell us how much more about boxing he knows than the rest of us.
Yeah, I know about Rios. I’m surprised he gave me credit, but he does have a man crush on GURU. Rios is more a Floyd fan, so I wonder why he “fell” for guru. It’s kinda difficult to get a read on Rios because he hides behind sarcasm when flustered. I’m keeping tabs on him though. I should be crossing paths with him soon.
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actually, what i meant to say is that guru has the *trinidad* and pac fans in his pocket. i typed floyd and pac by mistake. as we know trinidad is one of guru’s favorites. rios is puerto rican (so a cotto and trinidad guy), he has made that known. i think his ties to guru is maybe because theyre both tito fans. he does love floyd and tyson and roy though as well. i see a pattern there. the thing about rios, when he is confronted, you’re right, he gets sarcastic and starts playing around, calling people homos or whatever else he can come up with. sometimes he just flat out backpedals and starts being civil until you’re out of sight when he takes the liberty of getting his cheap shots in. be careful, the gutless coward that he is, he plays the race card in those situations from out of nowhere. to me, that is out of line. and with his writing style, “u dont know boxing, ur an idiot and a racist, floyd rulez, etc,” it makes it sound like youre dealing with a teenage girl but he has claimed to have a wife and kid (god help them). very strange.