My money is on Jrock09 (cuz “done some fighting” can mean back in 7th grade / “taught business” can mean giving your ROP kids business advice) since he seems to have more sound and precise arguments (incl. specifying universities, amateur record, city, etc.), and seems to be less emotional in the way he presents his case (I say the Temple University graduate’s intellect and ability to control his emotions carries over into the ring).

What say ye Jrock09 and todaline?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHmCYlIsX5E

I’ll admit he is part of the draw but you can’t really say he is the draw because then all the excuses of who is this guy goes right out the window.

See, for the life of me I cannot understand this “he got on his bike”. The guy doesn’t run, he defends, he makes you miss. Besides, who prevents the other guys from bringing their bikes in the ring? As you know you can go a lot faster forward that backward. Boxing is the art of hitting and not getting hit and PBF applies that marvelously. And for a guy who drives away fans he seems to have a lot of followers: those who admire his craft and those who hate him so much that they follow his every move just in case something bad would happen to him. You wouldn’t want to miss that, would you?

Now you’re citing Toney, the king of trash talking who engages as much as PBF, takes more punishment than PBF, as a good example. How do you spell BIAS?

No Jrock I’m not taking anything personal, just countering what I believe to be misinformation and you’re right we can agree to disagree while showing respect and if you re-read my posts you’ll see that I DO NOT disrespect ANYONE. I just make my points, passionately.

now back to the other top WW…its easy to price yourself out or want to fight to accomodate yourself, like when shane had a toothache. do you really think chicken delahoya was going to allow shane to fight floyd and beat hime when he knew he was going to get the higher payday 1st, NO. and why would you ask shane to fight 2 months after he just went through a grueling match with a 170lber. theres no way in hell he fights pwill, NEVER!!!! cotto when he was still a bit green, cintrons a killer if he connects, margarito wouldve stalked him and his workrate is wayyyy to high, clottey would be easy pickens, and the kid wants nothing to do with pac. too awkward…wants blood drawn to weaken him for sure…pac is an active fighter, you take blood b4 the fight and he slows whereas fraud is a 1 punch machine and it wouldnt have too much of an effect.

I dont care if he wins or loses I just don’t like the him, it has nothing to do with his boxing ability or style. I don’t like his attitude, how he disrespects other people, his double talk, his lies and the way he generally represents himself. It’s just not him, anybody who fits into the same catagory of person that he is I feel the same way about.

It amazes me how uneducated EDUCATED people can be.Why would PBF fight PWill for peanuts when 20-30 Mil are waiting for him? Just because we say so? Why would he fight Cintron the Bum and for how much? Cotto? Arum said not ready!! Mosley? Toot ache!! Clottey? Never came up and if it does, how much after his losses? Margo? Yes, he ducked him for Oscar (later. Vision, my friend, vision). And the answer to why all the WW fought each other was that they didn’t have a name and doing so would put them on the map. The map where PBF was already.

Did you know that most ATG died broke and miserable? And if you know that so does PBF and you better believe him when he says that legacies don’t pay the bills…

And what most of you DO NOT understand is that boxing is as mental as it is physical. And as such PBF not only plays with his opponent’s mind but mostly YOURS, so that he can put “asses in the seats” and sell PPVs. Indeed, wouldn’t you celebrate if he lost? So EVERY time he fights you fall right into his trap and watch/buy his fights in hopes of seeing him lose. He doesn’t so you run to your computer and write insanities about the guy, waiting (im)patiently for his fall. In the meantime he’s selling PPVs, thanks to you.

Did you say you went to college because you wanted to get paid to think? Would you please give me the name of that College so I won’t make the mistake of sending my kids there? You know I want them to think, not react emotionally…

Margarito? The DLH fight was looming so to PBF having Baldomir’s belt as a negotiating tool was way better than anything else. Besides, PBF was not about to give in to Arum’s BS. Remember how Arum used to call him the greatest thing in the world when he had him? Now suddenly he’s a coward and a below average fighter!!! And the most amazing thing is that you guys believe a guy who makes his money LYING. Bob “Yesterday I was lying but today I’m telling the truth” Arum, your hero is more credible than PBF?

Remember, boxing is also a BUSINESS and fighters fight whomever brings them the most money. Those who fight for “the love of the sport”, those who fight those we want them to fight are dumb fighters. Amazing how you say that you wanted to get paid to think, not fight. Floyd thinks and then fights, and thinks while fighting, while we bitch about his thinking ways. Can’t you admire that?

Let me add your lists ( and this is an honest no bs statements :

Chatchai Sasakul – ( top flywgt during that time, almost won the fight but is too stupid and got caught . well its flywgt , no american give a damn about him.)
Lelo Ledwaba ( damn good junior featherweight )
Marco Antonio Barrera ( universally recognized featherweight champ )
Erik MOrales ( probably on his way down , but then that’s morales you got there )
JMM ( close fight ,winner depends upon your nationality. )
David Diaz ( duh, quite good but not as challenging )
ODLH ( please , oscar was not beaten coz he’s weight drained ,he was beaten bcoz he could not catch pac )
Hatton ( one funny thing about pac-haters is they consider hatton as an idiot that’s why he got caught. they could not accept the fact that pac’s style is perfect to counter hatton’s stance. Bums , if hatton is an idiot, then he should have gotten knocked out earkly in his career. Funny how it took a Pacquiao for these bums to realize that Hatton is an idiot )
Cotto ( damaged goods ? basis please, basis. He may be not be the same as what once he was but still a top welterweight. He really nailed pac some good shots. pac admitted it himself during the presscon that he was hurt but tried to put it out of his mind during the fight . A memo from hell to you haters : Pac has been sparring with junior welters during his juniorfeatherwgt days, so please , stop the blabbing about peds. He has chin. His KO ? those came from body shots man,not head shots.That’s why you’ll see freddie hitting him with thai sticks to the body ,but not the head. That’s his weakness that cotto should have taken advantage.Fact stands : PAc has chin. Barera know it, morales knows it.Marquez gave him one nice hook at the 2nd fight – 2nd round , but pac took it pretty well. Where Juan diaz fail , pac took it well. )

When you say these ” what you call a boring fight is what I call supreme skills being shown by the most skilled boxer in activity. ” , I would assume that you are referring to floyd. geesh , did I ever mentioned floyd’s name there ? again, I like floyd, but what I hate about him is his attitude. He could have been more respectful. He could have acknowledge Pac supreme skills like his. He could have acknoweledge pac’s greatness like him who is a damn good fighter also. But what does he do ? He is biting to these accusations, and there are people here who are dumb enough to join the mayweatherasslicker club. Mentioning floyd;s name in your reply is like admitting that he really is boring.Well I dont know about you man , but I have sparred almost 300 rounds in my last 9 years of amateur friendly fights. I do know a little about the sport. but I don;t blame you if you think that I’m such a dick who do not understand and just throw some blah.blah blah. you don;t know me. And I dont give a damn about what you say about me coz I don;t know you either, who the hell are you anyway . just like pac who never give to floyds demands since, who the hell is he anyway ?

well i’m not saying that we don’t need to test fighters who have been clean in the past. All I’m trying to say is that why the hell do PBF need to change the testing procedures where there are already established ones ? are the testing procedures there are so bad that a 3rd world country has the means to counter it ? If a Pacfan who believe that PAC is clean and do not require additional tests are ” dumb ” , then ” dumber ” is a Pac-hater who mindlessly jump into the PBF bandwagon by eating all these buls**it from a man whose crusade is to clean up the sport and yet uses xylocaine , who wanted ” to even ” the playing field and yet came in overweight against a lightweight, and whose convicted drug trafficker father accuses PAC of taking PEDs. You’re a smart man, I know you choose persons who you would listen to and I know who pick your sources.

Well you’re very wrong. We don’t hail pacquiao as a hero coz if that’s the case , then he should have won the congressional elections years ago. But we do admire his accomplishments in the ring and hard work, things which will lead us to violently react if people try to tarnish his reputation without any basis. Dont get me wrong man, I like mayweather. I’m a member of a fight club myself, and there are times which I imitated some of his moves in the ring. But this time, I really won;t go his way. If he is trying to ” clean up the sport ” of ” level the playing field ” , then why did he brought this up only now ? You’re a smart man todiline, can you not find it funny that did he not demand such a test against marquez and then suddenly demand it against pacquiao ? Again, i don;t hate mayweather, but I will not bite on his crusade of cleaning up the sport coz it;s evident that he is just making excuses.

Willie pep won a round w/out throwing a punch? lets assume that pep’s opponent did not manage to hit a single shot in that round, isnt a judge suppose to score it 10-10?

maybe they hailed pac’s win over odlh, cotto & hatton, because b4 pac fought them,
1.against hoya, many still believed that hoya would win,
2.against hatton, its 50-50
3.against cotto, even at the agreed 145 lbs, many still put their money on cotto,
ex. JMM, HOYA & others pick cotto to win, cause come fight night cotto can put on some weight and still fight at around 150-160 lbs.

while pbf vs hoya and hatton, floyd is clearly the favorite..

but after the fight, it was pac who inflicted more damage to hoya & hatton…same w/ cotto

i think that is why they hailed pac’s win over hoya & hatton

Whose opinion do you think I should trust?

And for the record the only WW i feel he ducked is Margarito. As I said earlier Ben Johnson had NEVER tested positive before testing positive, so by your logic NO athlete should EVER be tested because before being tested they NEVER tested positive. Do you realize how dumb this argument is?

Marion Jones had nothing to prove and to this day she still didn’t test positive. Sure she admitted she was heavily doped but NEVER tested positive.

Get it?

have you made some research ? The fight did not push through not bcoz PAc don’t want to take tests but because PBF insists a 14 day period while PAc wanted the 24 day plus an additional tests right after the fight to protect mayweathers interest, since if you dope around, you can;t just flush it out right away. there will be no escape for pac if he is bitching us. So I;ll give you the 40 million dollar question : ” What is Floyd’s problem with that ? “

Well , forgive Pacquiao from knocking out old drained up fighters. Its not in his character to put up a boring fight to tell you frankly. Please , forgive him.

the mayweathers are accusing pac of PED use, did’nt you heard what May SR. said in his interviews? he said “beleive me, he is on something”, but up to now, nobody has shown any proof that pac did use PED, even you, you said that pac wins becuase he fights “weight drained, old & washed-up fighters”, u did not said “because of PED”

How can somebody show proof or evidence before tests are done? And the boxing ring, just like any sports arena is not a courtroom where a man is innocent until proven guilty. In a sports arena EVERYBODY is GUILTY and it is up to the accused to prove his/her innocence. And regarding Pac’s reputation, he took care of destroying it himself by telling us so many different versions of the same story.

If you are holding a lottery ticket, you CASH IT! You don’t screw around! And certainly, in a sport as unpredictable as boxing is… You don’t double down. The history of sport is a road littered with carcasses of those whom tried to… A guy from Ohio named James Douglas derailed Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson. A Tie-Dye wearing girl from Kansas whom nobody had even heard of derailed the largest purse in the history of Woman’s Boxing when Sumya Anani beat Christy Martin.

Pacquiao walked away from a 60 Million Dollar Pay Day because he didn’t want to submit to stringent PED testing that would have likely caught him if he is in fact on PED’s. Mayweather is now facing a guy whom always matched up to him far better than Pacquiao did and for less money.

Pacquiao is facing a no-win situation opponent in Clottey. Clottey is good enough to the point where he can absolutely give Manny some trouble but he’s not a guy anyone is going to give Pacquiao any credit for beating, even if he does it in dominant fashion… His stock will not rise from this fight. It can only fall and if it does fall, so does his purse money for a contest against Mayweather.

Mayweather is facing Mosley… I don’t even need to elaborate on the dangers of this contest and yes, I know that Mosley is now 39.

With respect Mr Lawton…

The “best things in boxing” seemingly always happen by accident… Ali – Liston, Ali – Foreman, Braddock – Baer, Foreman – Moorer, Holyfield – Tyson, Leonard – Hagler and on and on and on.

Seems to me; tyring to ‘plan’ such a moment is sort of like playing Russian Roulette with a Semi-Automatic Pistol as opposed to a Revolver after trying to convince everyone how much safer it is because the CLIP of the Semi holds nine rounds and barrell of the revolver only holds six.

This fight isn’t happening because people know that Manny is roiding and Mayweather called him on it. It isn’t happening because Mayweather doesn’t want to fight Manny on PEDs and it isn’t happening because Manny doesn’t want to fight Mayweather unless he gets to use PEDs… This is not some smart business ploy. This is more likely to wind up looking like Nascar pile up.