UNCLE LEO: “FICTION & STEROIDS”
February 8th, 2010 By Leo Lawton
UNCLE LEO THROWS ONE DEEP!
Ogdensburg, NY- The youngster asked the tired old reporter, “Why do you suppose he wouldn’t just let them go ahead and take the samples and test for the drugs if he was clean”?
The old man spoke slowly and thoughtfully, “Son, do you suppose the entire thing was only the first act of the play.”
“But old-timer,” he returned, “If that’s just the beginning then where do we go from here”?
“Well son, it’s like this. What if you always wanted to be the biggest thing that boxing has ever known? How would you go about it? Possibly the best way, and certainly a good way, would be to win the biggest boxing event of all time. What’s that you say? Why you’d have to create it, it wouldn’t just happen by accident.”
The young man then asked, “Do you mean you think that was just a smoke screen to something that’ll be an even bigger event than what the match was going to be? It was already thought of as the most sought after match in history”?
“You’re learning son, you may make a reporter yet, if you keep thinking like that. Now think a little more. In order to become the superstar of boxing, beyond all who came before you, you must win the perceived biggest event of all time. Before you can win it, it has to exist, and before that, you have to create it. To create an event that will be thought the greatest boxing match of all time there has to be a bit of mystery to it. Everybody likes a good mystery whether it’s a book or a TV show.”
“But old-timer, how can you make a mystery of a boxing match? It’s usually quite a simple thing. Two men get in the ring and duke it out to see which is better at the sport.”
“Son, you got to work at this trade. If you were that boxer wanting to be the superstar, you got to think up some sort of mysterious way to really draw attention to, not yourself particularly, but to the entire event. Then, once the event is established as the greatest fight of all time, all you got to do is win it. That’s the easy part. The hard part is establishing the event in the first place.”
“So then, old-timer, you’re saying that the drug screening fiasco was no more than a huge publicity event”?
“I didn’t say that, you did.”
“But, old-timer, you implied it.”
“Yes, I did, and maybe that’s exactly what our want-to-be-superstar could have been doing also. He didn’t say anything, he merely implied it, and now that everyone is talking about it, think how big of an event it’ll be somewhere down the road after each of the fighters has had a match or two with others in between.”
“But old-timer, what if either one of them gets beaten in the meantime”?
“That’s where the mystery comes in son, that’s where the mystery comes in.”
Leo Lawton
you mean old timer it’s just a some kind of the hype! this fight needs no more hype
the mean reason here is floyd not yet ready to fight Pacquiao if he really want to fight Pacquiao the moment floyd called Pacquiao he already asked the random blood testing right away why that after everything were agreed here comes this ridiculous condition
the truth is floyd believe that Pacquiao will not accept the fight because of his fresh wounds from cotto fight but he was surprised that a wounded beast doesn’t back out to anybody, anytime, anywhere!!!!
ILLUSIONS OF GRANDEUR AND XYLOCAINE MORE LIKE
floyd foresaw that he could be defeated by a rematch with Oscar or else true to his nature, floyd would go for the “money” and get the higher percentage over Oscar. Remember floyd made $35 million and oscar %65 or $65 million for the 1st fight. Now we all know floyd only rematch is with castillo because he was sure he could beat the little guy a second time. Floyd never foresaw the earthquake in Haiti which means he did not foresee Mosley. That’s why there is a rematch clause for mosley with floyd before anyone else. This means floyd is not sure he can beat mosley. There is no myster!!!! floyd fights or avoids fights base on certainty.It is against his nature to take risk. Mosley was force on floyd. Why? because weather floyd fights mosley now or just after he fought oscar he would be demanding and receiving the same amount of the purse. DUH. floyd on words ” mosley too much risk for little pay” then and now. I guess Burt Sugar was right, ” floyd only meant to get into pacquiao head not over blow the fight” or eventually fight mosley who will hand mayweather his 40-1 record. Prediction unanimous decision for mosley, floyd gets knockdown and pounded, then runs away, which will pist off the judges. There is no mystery for floyd, only misery.
ADDENDUM,
Yup, floyd did not think pacquiao would fight him on march 13, because it was too soon. Pacquiao purposely had a bandage on his head during the press conference to show how much punishment he can take and floyd mistook it as sign of prolong injury. floyd was wrong. floyd wanted the fight to be in may so that pacquiao would be distracted from training due to pacquiao’s election run. Pacman said NO, and floyd had to concede.floyd needed an edge, so played mind games with steroid testing with pacquiao, who moved on with clottey. floyd did not move on to mosley it, it was the other way around. Mosley move to floyd, who was force to take the fight and now floyd sleepless nights about things he has no control over.
Floyd will lose to Shane (that’s the mistery! =)
There’s ‘mystery’ in this piece why there are no comments after several hours since it was posted.
There is also ‘mystery’ why i posted?
This is one of the Mysterious write-ups that I have read. If Floyd Mayweather Jr. gets beaten by Mosely then, this shows that Floyd is really a fraud afterall. In which case seeing Manny Pacquiao I think Clottey will be beaten by the PAC because Manny does not underestimate anyone. Manny is learning the gameplan LOOKING FOR HABITS and EXPLOITING it so that Manny will earn the VICTORY of March 13 2010 match. Regards. This is a NICE MYSTERIOUS ARTICLE.
imagination and creativity… that’s what writers should be.. but not a boxer, especially Floyd!!!
valid point indeed!
there is no mystery behind the request of the blood test for any illegal substance. rather,the request was made in lieu of the sensation of fear towards the would be adversary on the ring.
Wow! What an excellent explanation of a mysterious event presented in a theatrical form. A work of genius.
It is a very high financial risk of making an already big event more HUGE than it is. If the other person gets beaten in between, there goes the event that never happened. So this big financial risk is actually so huge that it is insanely STUPID. One loss in between with earnings of less than half of what could have been with the big event, is it worth it? Assuming the event does become huge, how much more financially will it get? History dictates that it can’t go double. One and a half itself is an impossible target.
I just believe Floyd is afraid to loose with manny, you know why? Because once he lost to manny then that will be the end of story for mayweather. everything will be turn to nothing. of course he is afraid to loose because manny has the potential to destroy him in the ring!
it will never happen because the truth is Mayweather has done it before and he will do it over and over again. He did not fight margarito and cotto. Much more he will not fight pacquiao. It’s already too late that he will fight Mosley. 10 years and 40M short. It is not hype. It is not establishing a fight or an event. Just plain cowardice.
simple but deep analogy uncle leo. nice.
I guess Mayweather – Pacman isnt happening then. Mosley by KO
That’s too complicated “old timer” to follow.Nowadays great fights are extremely needed without so much implication that it could be fix in order to create a real
mystery of anticipation then in the actual fight comes as a “poof”.Isn’t that cheating the paying patrons of their hard-earned money? It is like i better do it now cause after that fight i won’t have the same chance anymore.Why not “old timer ” give us our money’s worth?would that be mysterious too?
hirap intindihin heheh good point
obviously,floyd is a pretty gay! what is 40 -0 if he is a chicken!
in this wired world, it would only take weeks, if not days, before anything or anyone comes up with the goods on pacquiao regarding the drug testing fiasco. but it has been almost two months already and still no evidence or even a smokin gun pointing to PED use by pacquiao.
time has a way of bringing out the truth, americans are now beginning to realize that pacquiao has been set up, and are now making amends for even entertaining the ridiculous idea of PED use by pacquiao. imagine the mayweathers accuse pacquiao of PED use, only to subject themselves to ridicule by saying that, specifically, acuiao was on A-side meth (an amulet of some sort)
the mayweathers have exposed their hollowness, dream on bitches
Amazing how irrational people become when they allow hatred of someone to blind them. PBF is a fraud because he fought Oscar and Hatton, while Pac is a hero because he fought Hatton and Oscar. What most people don’t realize is that most “exciting” heroes have finished their lives in the streets. They don’t realize that those “exciting” brawlers who let others make decisions (think Arum/King) for them are BROKE and nobody will help them. Some boxers make BUSINESS decisions to prepare them for retirement. It means take the best fights for the best money. That is what PBF has done along with virtually EVERY boxing star and that includes Pacman, who’s been taking on weight drained old and washed up fighters.
And just because Olympic style is not used in boxing to test drug abusers shouldn’t prevent one fighter from asking for it, if he suspects someone of using drugs or if he wants to plays with the guy’s mind. It’s common for fighters to do that. Now why is it that we keep saying that PBF should not dictate terms and allow Pac to do just that? Why allow Pac to drain a fighter, ask for 10 million dollars/lb, ring size, gloves size, underwear color, etc, and disagree with the other fighter making demands? After all these are NEGOTIATIONS between two parties!!!
This non sense about the NSAC being the only entity to decide on the drug test is unbelievable. Why not ask the NSAC to decide on the gloves and the ring size then? Pac asked for ALL that and got it. PBF asked for drug tests and EVERYBODY is offended. Wow. Talk about non sense!!!
Outstanding writing, Leo.
Thank you for that article, it was a great read.
Take care.
This article is kind of ridiculous, but at least it’s the first thing I’ve seen on this site in months that does not strongly imply that Pacquiao is a steroid user. So, uh kudos for that at least, a modicum of impartiality.
floyd should have been making other business decisions that didn’t involve blowing a ton of his money and owing the IRS a sizeable amt of tax $.
Manny Pacquiao Achievement Awards (Part 2):
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Ring Magazine:
* 2009 Fighter of the Year
* 2008 Fighter of the Year
* 2006 Fighter of the Year
* 2009 #1 Pound for Pound Boxer in the World
* 2008 #1 Pound for Pound Boxer in the World
* 2009 KnockOut of the Year
SecondsOut.com:
* 2008 Fighter of the Year
* 2006 Fighter of the Year
Sports Illustrated:
* 2009 Fighter of the Year
* 2008 Boxer of the Year
The SweetScience.com:
* 2009 Boxer of the Year
* 2008 Boxer of the Year
* 2000-09 Fighter of the Decade
WBC:
* 2009 Boxer of the Year
* 2008 Boxer of the Year
Yahoo Sports:
* 2008 Fighter of the Year
TODALINE, it’s not just dictating the terms of the fight… it’s a matter of principle not to give in to the demands of someone who accused you of cheating. what if manny accused floyd of having a mental disorder and demand that he should undergo a mental and psychiatric test first to prove he is not insane? ridiculous, isn’t it? the burden of proof lies on the accuser! floyd and dela hoya have cheated before, yet they accused manny of cheating without showing any evidence to back it up, instead they demand that manny proves that he is not! wow! only in america!
This shit is soo anoying. All this pbf hating now he will never fight PAC, ok just like he would never fight mosley? U people r dillusinal pbf is gonna beat mosley and then beat pacman. Pbf don’t get hit like hatton, cotto, clottey or any of the great Mexican chapions he has beaten!!!!!! Rule of thumb that always rings true in every sport. Who is this bakla that said mayweather saw PAC bandaged and assumed he won’t take the fight? Damn some of u r realy thick. Let’s see it all play out by September we will see what happens. Maybe I’m wrong and pbf loses but the odds r in pbf’s Gabor considering he has never lost. And please don’t bring up castillo 1 because if that’s the case then PAC lost 2 fights to Marquez. And if Marquez can outbox pacman what the he’ll u think is gonna happen when pbf gets at him. Pbf by 10 round corner stopage over pacman
A good defence always beats a good offence( rule of thumb)
nowhere in the article does it say that it’s not mayweather or it’s NOT pacquiao who is ‘pulling this stunt’ as what ‘old timer’ implied
(“So then, old-timer, you’re saying that the drug screening fiasco was no more than a huge publicity event”?
“I didn’t say that, you did.”, etc)
it could be either of the two. I’ve never read any of leo’s articles in the past to get a feel if he’s one of those unbiased writers or not. I just know one thing, this is one good article which puts doubt on both fighters’ legacy without ever attracting a lawsuit due to its clever wording.
Cool stuff, Leo. I just hope that “old-timer” is on to something here.
TAllagash said: floyd should have been making other business decisions that didn’t involve blowing a ton of his money and owing the IRS a sizeable amt of tax $.
Well, what you make with your earned income is your business just like what he makes with his earned income is his business. That being said, because he supposedly spent ALL his money unwisely, we have the right to be outraged at his negotiating tactics? His spending his money the way he intends to do it is our problem? Or that diminish in any way his right to make sure the other guy is not bringing a weapon in the ring?
Tell me Tallagash, you never spent your money unwisely? I’m sure you do it everyday. Now next time you’re looking for a job just take whatever they’re offering you as you no longer have the right to protest less than minimum wage. After all you’ll spend that money unwisely…
Pac man achievement awards
I wonder if all those accolades will be taken back once he is caught for cheating. Wish he would just agree to the random olympic style testing and shut everybody up. If he does not, then there will be a suspicious cloud hanging over his legacy
roberto, go hike with gayweather in siberia, if you know where it is, idioT!
I had hope for you Rios…now I am changing my mind…You are still a Floyd nuthugger. Stay off the guys sack! Finally Floyd is fighting a real welterweight who can fight. Why do you defend Mayweather so much? Are you on his payroll? He is boring to watch, and disgraces himmself with his immature tirades and disgraces the sport when he fights lightweight such as Marquez and dances around the ring everytime “The lightweight” throws a punch. I know the sport is about winning but take some chances and give the fans what the want. Action. I guess when people pay money to see you get knocked out cold you can do what he does and get away with it…however people for the most part don’t pay to admire how great he is, people pay to see his arrogant ass get knocked silly. Rios you can post here but enough with the Mayweather love. it’s tired already. You are just as annoying as the Pac fans who think he can beat King Kong. I personally would rather watch Pac any day over Floyd…at least he engages his opponents regularly and goes for the finish when he is dominating a fight.
TODALINE, it’s not just dictating the terms of the fight… it’s a matter of principle not to give in to the demands of someone who accused you of cheating. what if manny accused floyd of having a mental disorder and demand that he should undergo a mental and psychiatric test first to prove he is not insane? ridiculous, isn’t it? the burden of proof lies on the accuser! floyd and dela hoya have cheated before, yet they accused manny of cheating without showing any evidence to back it up, instead they demand that manny proves that he is not! wow! only in america!
Erwin, if it’s a matter of principle, then where were those principles when Pac was dictating terms to Cotto, Hatton and Oscar? If Pac demanded a psychiatric evaluation it’d be up to PBF to accept or not. Not for us to be outraged and find excuses for Floyd. It’s a negotiating tool for God’s sake. And being insane is not the same as being doped. Pac asked for lots of things that are not normal. Smaller size ring, smaller size gloves, 10 millions/lb. All is fine, but then he gets all outraged by ONE demand and wants the NSAC to be the referee. Was the NSAC refereing his demands?
Let’s say you come looking for a job at my company. Should the Dept of Labor be called because you’re making demands that I deemed outrageous? Or is it a deal between two parties who should agree on what the contract will be?
Once again, PBF is not accusing Pac. He’s just DEMANDING (a tool) that he be subjected to tests just like Pac demanded a bunch of things. When you get married you (normally) write a contract. When you buy a car, a house, anything, you write a contract. In that contact you accept things and demand some concessions from the other party. Right?
Erwin, if it’s a matter of principle, then where were those principles when Pac was dictating terms to Cotto, Hatton and Oscar? If Pac demanded a psychiatric evaluation it’d be up to PBF to accept or not. Not for us to be outraged and find excuses for Floyd. It’s a negotiating tool for God’s sake. And being insane is not the same as being doped. Pac asked for lots of things that are not normal. Smaller size ring, smaller size gloves, 10 millions/lb. All is fine, but then he gets all outraged by ONE demand and wants the NSAC to be the referee. Was the NSAC refereing his demands?
Let’s say you come looking for a job at my company. Should the Dept of Labor be called because you’re making demands that I deemed outrageous? Or is it a deal between two parties who should agree on what the contract will be?
Once again, PBF is not accusing Pac. He’s just DEMANDING (a tool) that he be subjected to tests just like Pac demanded a bunch of things. When you get married you (normally) write a contract. When you buy a car, a house, anything, you write a contract. In that contact you accept things and demand some concessions from the other party. Right?
no fight that Phoney Phloyd takes part in will ever be considered the biggest fight of all time. He is a legend in his own mind and the minds of his butt kissing entourage.
Why are we even discussing this nonsense?
I think I’ll take historian Mike Silvers advice and give up on boxing. I’ll stick to the old fight films when men were men, they fought 15 round championship fights and wore 6 ounce gloves. Boxing was in better shape when Tommy Luchesse and Frankie Carbo and the IBC ran the sport. Phoney Phloyd would have been found out and been long gone, Roy “no beard” Jones to.
the end
Lol kp our peace is short lived!!!! I’m not into hugging nuts man only my wifes cause sometimes she acts like she got a set. I’m just tired of seeing manny this manny that. The shit gets old. I just saw some di-k beatwriter on boxingscene say that PAC is 2nd place fighter all time pfp pony Hank Armstrong better. The ish is getting a little thick man. I’m just trying to keep a little equalibrium in this piece!!! Kp if I don’t I’ll turn into a pacfool like the rest of these zombies
Do u know what TOTO is in Dominican Spanish (pu–y) nuff said
Kp
I agree with u I’d rather watch PAC and have said that b4 but if I have to bet my life on who wins a marquesse de queensberry boxing match I’ll go pbf 100 out of 100 times man truth be told. But I will say this if I had to choose which ppv to watch PAC vs clottey of pbf vs sugar I’m going pbf vs sugar. What say u?
When men were men and fought with 6 ounces gloves every week or so, they did it to survive and often finished their lives with Parkinson and other boxing dementia related diseases. Oh yes they were great. They were fighting several times a month for our enjoyment and still unable to afford a decent life for most of them. Back then boxing fans were true connoisseurs of the art, not bandwagon followers, who suddenly discover one guy and decide that they like “boxing”. The same holds true for “back when men were men” during Jules Caesar the Roman Emperor. Back when men were men in feudal Japan or 17th century Europe they stood right in front of each other and played Zorro. And if you want to go even farther they used stones to kill each other.
I guess you’re in “nostalgia mood”. People nowadays confuse the sweet science with MMA. Remember it’s hit and not get it, not this nonsense “back when men were men” thing new “boxing fans” who came out of nowhere think boxing is.
todaline, you really don’t get it right! the demand is premised on the allegation of floyd sr, floyd jr and dela hoya that pacman was using some illegal substances because they don’t believe that he is for real!… that’s the issue! but instead of showing some proof or evidence, those hypocrites demand that pacman undergo additional test to prove his innocence! i thought a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty?
now, they are saying they want to clean up the sports of boxing? well, you cannot do that while destroying somebody’s reputation! besides, who has cheated before? ALL THOSE ACCUSERS! so if they really want to clean up the sports, then start with their dirty mouths!
floyd is Fraud! No matter what alibis he makes, leads back to himself and points to Him, Gayweather being the MOST COWARD of all time. His fans are as dillusional as he is. funny where you align yourself and in no time became like the mayweathers. Clan of clowns, irrational, drug users, criminals, women beaters and dillusionals too, to add a few of their traits.
todaline, pbf WAS shrewd in his ealing, he ask to fight pac at 154 whenwhat he really wanted was l47, he got it. he offered to use 10inch globe pac offered 8inch , he got it, pac offered 10m penalty he accepted because he knew l47 lbs is quite easy to get and the l0 million penalty meant nothing, he get the 147lbs easily anyway. all these were bluffs because he thought pac will not fight in march l3 knowing pac was still fresh from all his injuries. but he was shocked because pac accepted the fight just like a brave warrior who never backs down. last minute he asked for random blood testing bec. he knew pac will not agree to be distracted from his training. pbf knoew that this was his last card to avoid pac fight and he got it. HE REALLY WAS NOT INTERESTED TO FIGHT PAC BECAUSE HE KNEW HE CANT BEAT PAC.
@robertorios
your such an ignorant if not dumb kind of person… didn’t you know that?
With respect…
If you are holding a lottery ticket, you CASH IT! You don’t screw around! And certainly, in a sport as unpredictable as boxing is… You don’t double down. The history of sport is a road littered with carcasses of those whom tried to… A guy from Ohio named James Douglas derailed Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson. A Tie-Dye wearing girl from Kansas whom nobody had even heard of derailed the largest purse in the history of Woman’s Boxing when Sumya Anani beat Christy Martin.
Pacquiao walked away from a 60 Million Dollar Pay Day because he didn’t want to submit to stringent PED testing that would have likely caught him if he is in fact on PED’s. Mayweather is now facing a guy whom always matched up to him far better than Pacquiao did and for less money.
Pacquiao is facing a no-win situation opponent in Clottey. Clottey is good enough to the point where he can absolutely give Manny some trouble but he’s not a guy anyone is going to give Pacquiao any credit for beating, even if he does it in dominant fashion… His stock will not rise from this fight. It can only fall and if it does fall, so does his purse money for a contest against Mayweather.
Mayweather is facing Mosley… I don’t even need to elaborate on the dangers of this contest and yes, I know that Mosley is now 39.
With respect Mr Lawton…
The “best things in boxing” seemingly always happen by accident… Ali – Liston, Ali – Foreman, Braddock – Baer, Foreman – Moorer, Holyfield – Tyson, Leonard – Hagler and on and on and on.
Seems to me; tyring to ‘plan’ such a moment is sort of like playing Russian Roulette with a Semi-Automatic Pistol as opposed to a Revolver after trying to convince everyone how much safer it is because the CLIP of the Semi holds nine rounds and barrell of the revolver only holds six.
This fight isn’t happening because people know that Manny is roiding and Mayweather called him on it. It isn’t happening because Mayweather doesn’t want to fight Manny on PEDs and it isn’t happening because Manny doesn’t want to fight Mayweather unless he gets to use PEDs… This is not some smart business ploy. This is more likely to wind up looking like Nascar pile up.
Herman, PBF NEVER asked for ounces gloves or to fight at 154lb, nor did he asked for a bigger ring. That’s all Arum and Roach PR machine in action. At least get you infos right before posting.
erwin, please be rational. This is a NEGOTIATION and both sides will make demands, one more outrageous than the last in order to gain the upper hand. And you want them to show some proof or evidence of Pac doping!!! Do me a favor and ask Carl Lewis what he thinks of your logic. Ben Johnson, by your logic should NEVER have accepted any test. After all it was just Carl Lewis accusing him of unfounded lies. Carl Lewis, what an hypocrite for daring to ask tests from that good boy Ben Johnson.
How can somebody show proof or evidence before tests are done? And the boxing ring, just like any sports arena is not a courtroom where a man is innocent until proven guilty. In a sports arena EVERYBODY is GUILTY and it is up to the accused to prove his/her innocence. And regarding Pac’s reputation, he took care of destroying it himself by telling us so many different versions of the same story.
Mr. Rios ”A good defence always beats a good offence( rule of thumb)” is an old fable when it comes to the sweet science. Many good examples of outstanding defensive fighters losing to good offensive fighters…..recent times Malignaggi (good defense) Cotto or Hatton for one. Smokin Joe Frazier had an underrated defense and Big George was all offense.
todaline
the mayweathers are accusing pac of PED use, did’nt you heard what May SR. said in his interviews? he said “beleive me, he is on something”, but up to now, nobody has shown any proof that pac did use PED, even you, you said that pac wins becuase he fights “weight drained, old & washed-up fighters”, u did not said “because of PED”
todaline said ” Amazing how irrational people become when they allow hatred of someone to blind them. PBF is a fraud because he fought Oscar and Hatton, while Pac is a hero because he fought Hatton and Oscar. ( and where on earth did you get that idea ? your guy made an early retirement ( despite of the fact that there some welterweights there which can be a threat to him ) and is proud enough to say that he is a multi-division champion,undefeated and ” has nothing to prove ” ,and yet he is dumb enough not to understand that Pacquiao has never been tested of PEDs so does not require any additional tests because PAC ” has nothing to prove.” Y0u can;t get more fraud-der than that. And this comeback of his ? well surely its not because he wants to prove something coz he have said it clearly himself that he has nothing to prove . ( every body knows floyd’s financial problems ).
TodaLINe said ” That is what PBF has done along with virtually EVERY boxing star and that includes Pacman, who’s been taking on weight drained old and washed up fighters.
Well , forgive Pacquiao from knocking out old drained up fighters. Its not in his character to put up a boring fight to tell you frankly. Please , forgive him.
TODaline said : Once again, PBF is not accusing Pac. He’s just DEMANDING (a tool) that he be subjected to tests just like Pac demanded a bunch of things. When you get married you (normally) write a contract. When you buy a car, a house, anything, you write a contract. In that contact you accept things and demand some concessions from the other party. Right
have you made some research ? The fight did not push through not bcoz PAc don’t want to take tests but because PBF insists a 14 day period while PAc wanted the 24 day plus an additional tests right after the fight to protect mayweathers interest, since if you dope around, you can;t just flush it out right away. there will be no escape for pac if he is bitching us. So I;ll give you the 40 million dollar question : ” What is Floyd’s problem with that ? “
Bforce, let’s de-construct your arguments: yes, people all around the www were hailing Pac as a hero for having beat a previously knocked out Hatton, a severely weight drained Oscar and an even more severely damaged Cotto. That’s where I got that idea. Early retirement? The man felt he had enough money to retire early and we all felt he’d come back because he’d spend that money as if there was no tomorrow. And we all were right. However it is none of our problem and that should not be used against him to justify the other side shortcomings.
And for the record the only WW i feel he ducked is Margarito. As I said earlier Ben Johnson had NEVER tested positive before testing positive, so by your logic NO athlete should EVER be tested because before being tested they NEVER tested positive. Do you realize how dumb this argument is?
Marion Jones had nothing to prove and to this day she still didn’t test positive. Sure she admitted she was heavily doped but NEVER tested positive.
Get it?
Bforce, what you call a boring fight is what I call supreme skills being shown by the most skilled boxer in activity. Of course you watch boxing to see people KO’d so you can get your fix. I watch boxing to admire the skills, I see things you cannot see, I understand the game in a way you cannot start to understand. In other words, if we both were surgeons I’d be operating with micro tools while you’d be using a hatchet, or maybe even an ax. Finesse, my friend is what defines true boxing skills.
Again Bforce, let’s de-construct: yes I have done a lot of research. In fact I’ve been following doping since the 70’s. I used to live in France and was an avid Tour de France follower where doping is as prevalent as prostitutes in the Bois de Boulogne. I was just as avid in my love of track and field. One of my best friend, a very skinny guy who became a monster in a matter of three years told me about doping. So to stop random testing 24 days before the fight is to ask the other side to allow him to get RECHARGED with impunity. So we have true experts like Victor Conte and the guy from USADA saying that you can flush ANYTHING out of your system in a matter of days or even hours and on the other side we have people who don’t know what they’re talking about saying the opposite.
Whose opinion do you think I should trust?
Bforce I left out something. When you ask me if I have done some research, I suppose you have yourself done so, and you probably got your info from Pac’s camp, which is the same as a right wing guy telling me that the things he gets from Fox News are the ABSOLUT truth.
Finaly a voice of reason!!!!!!! Go toadaline thank god for ur input!!! I was begining to think I was the only sane person on this page.
Biggie I’m pretty sure a solid deffence. Wins way more than offence. Check ur memory bank and please don’t compare mallinaggis D to floyds that not even on the same galaxy
Roberto, the problem with the “boxing fans” we find on forums is that they’re always looking for the latest wagon to hop on and they’re so gullible that a fast talker will always be right for them. Bob Arum only needs to open his mouth and whatever comes out of it is swallowed by the legions of “new boxing fans”. It doesn’t matter that today Arum is lying but will tell the truth tomorrow…
Somebody said that Pac is the second best fighter in world history, behind Henry Armstrong maybe. I beg to differ. I think that Pac is the first best fighter ever. Who can match Pac’s ability and achievements in so many different weight divisions? Who has won such comprehensive victories over a series of much bigger men? Who has continued to improve his game by leaps and bounds even as he approaches 30 after a long and punishing career? Pac is unique. Boxing history is unfolding before our very eyes, and (irrational haters aside) we are grateful and humbled spectators to these momentous developments!
defense does not win fights…offense does! The scoring criteria in boxing says it all….judges score on clean punches, effective agressiveness, ring generalship then defense in that order. This isn’t football or basketball we are taliking about here here. Yes the best boxers on the planet for the most part have to have good defense but they have to have offense to score points so what you are saying is very misleading. Whitaker had good defense, but he had to hit his opponnets to win fights. By the way Todaline..Floyd is skilled no one deny’s that but just because he’s skilled that doesn’t mean he’;s exciting…you are such a hugger that you justify his boring style by talking about his supreme skills. Why can’t you admit that even though you are an obvious admirer of his that he is a boring fighter who takes very little risks in the ring. Yeah he wins and I will give him credit for that but I am not going to be completely blind to the fact that his fights are mostly nauseating to watch. What does he do thats so exciting to you? Is it his shoulder roll or those pity pat jabs or hooks he leads with. he rarely ever follows up with anything, just throws one punch at a time. Yeah he’s undefeated but you have to be crazy to say he is an exciting fighter. Say what you want about Pac’s style and if he’s sloppy, reckless, lacks defense, gets hit alot. He’s getting similar results to Floyd. The difference is that when his fights end most of the public doesn’t feel cheated and demand their money back. Boxing is entertainment just like any other sport. People weren’t rallying around the pistons when they won the championship a few years back because they did it with defense…I can appreciate good defense but people pay to see offense.
todaline/rios
maybe they hailed pac’s win over odlh, cotto & hatton, because b4 pac fought them,
1.against hoya, many still believed that hoya would win,
2.against hatton, its 50-50
3.against cotto, even at the agreed 145 lbs, many still put their money on cotto,
ex. JMM, HOYA & others pick cotto to win, cause come fight night cotto can put on some weight and still fight at around 150-160 lbs.
while pbf vs hoya and hatton, floyd is clearly the favorite..
but after the fight, it was pac who inflicted more damage to hoya & hatton…same w/ cotto
i think that is why they hailed pac’s win over hoya & hatton
All you jackasses who think many is on steroids probably believe in bigffot too. There are many great fighters who moved up in weight and were successful. Manny was 16 when he fought at 106 lbs. Mayweather fought at 106 when he was a 16 year old amateur. The reason Pac knocks people out is not because he’s on roids, its because he throws punches in bunches unlike Floyd who throws one shot at a time (lead right or left hook) ala Roy Jones Jr. If Floyd put his punched together and went on the attack, he could have knocked out more fighters lik JMM. Hell, he could have knocked Hatton out in a few rounds if he pressed the action. Pac does not have one punch KO power, its accumulation. All of this BS about roids is crazy. How come Floyd didn’t ask JMM to have Olympic testing? Beacuse he knew he could beat a blown up lightweight. I could see if Pac was a known juicer, but this was just another way for Floyd to try to gain an advantage like when the punk didn’t even try to make weight for JMM; talk about advantages. That’s a straight up bitch move. Hey Floyd, stop frontin like you’re tryin’ to clean up boxing all of a sudden. Just be a man and get in the ring with the best in the sport. You get no praise from me for finally fighting a good welter in Mosley, thats what the fuck a true champion does, test himself against the best. Respect is won in the ring, not on the mic!
Kp sweet science hit n not be hit. Any fool can throw a punchnot many pros can say they have an inpregnible deffence that’s sweet science and ring generalship. Wasn’t it Willie pep that won a round without throwing a punch? So what does that say
rios,
Willie pep won a round w/out throwing a punch? lets assume that pep’s opponent did not manage to hit a single shot in that round, isnt a judge suppose to score it 10-10?
Todaline said : Bforce, let’s de-construct your arguments: yes, people all around the www were hailing Pac as a hero for having beat a previously knocked out Hatton, a severely weight drained Oscar and an even more severely damaged Cotto.
Well you’re very wrong. We don’t hail pacquiao as a hero coz if that’s the case , then he should have won the congressional elections years ago. But we do admire his accomplishments in the ring and hard work, things which will lead us to violently react if people try to tarnish his reputation without any basis. Dont get me wrong man, I like mayweather. I’m a member of a fight club myself, and there are times which I imitated some of his moves in the ring. But this time, I really won;t go his way. If he is trying to ” clean up the sport ” of ” level the playing field ” , then why did he brought this up only now ? You’re a smart man todiline, can you not find it funny that did he not demand such a test against marquez and then suddenly demand it against pacquiao ? Again, i don;t hate mayweather, but I will not bite on his crusade of cleaning up the sport coz it;s evident that he is just making excuses.
todaline said : And for the record the only WW i feel he ducked is Margarito. As I said earlier Ben Johnson had NEVER tested positive before testing positive, so by your logic NO athlete should EVER be tested because before being tested they NEVER tested positive. Do you realize how dumb this argument is?
well i’m not saying that we don’t need to test fighters who have been clean in the past. All I’m trying to say is that why the hell do PBF need to change the testing procedures where there are already established ones ? are the testing procedures there are so bad that a 3rd world country has the means to counter it ? If a Pacfan who believe that PAC is clean and do not require additional tests are ” dumb ” , then ” dumber ” is a Pac-hater who mindlessly jump into the PBF bandwagon by eating all these buls**it from a man whose crusade is to clean up the sport and yet uses xylocaine , who wanted ” to even ” the playing field and yet came in overweight against a lightweight, and whose convicted drug trafficker father accuses PAC of taking PEDs. You’re a smart man, I know you choose persons who you would listen to and I know who pick your sources.
Todaline said : Bforce, what you call a boring fight is what I call supreme skills being shown by the most skilled boxer in activity. Of course you watch boxing to see people KO’d so you can get your fix. I watch boxing to admire the skills, I see things you cannot see, I understand the game in a way you cannot start to understand. In other words, if we both were surgeons I’d be operating with micro tools while you’d be using a hatchet, or maybe even an ax. Finesse, my friend is what defines true boxing skills
When you say these ” what you call a boring fight is what I call supreme skills being shown by the most skilled boxer in activity. ” , I would assume that you are referring to floyd. geesh , did I ever mentioned floyd’s name there ? again, I like floyd, but what I hate about him is his attitude. He could have been more respectful. He could have acknowledge Pac supreme skills like his. He could have acknoweledge pac’s greatness like him who is a damn good fighter also. But what does he do ? He is biting to these accusations, and there are people here who are dumb enough to join the mayweatherasslicker club. Mentioning floyd;s name in your reply is like admitting that he really is boring.Well I dont know about you man , but I have sparred almost 300 rounds in my last 9 years of amateur friendly fights. I do know a little about the sport. but I don;t blame you if you think that I’m such a dick who do not understand and just throw some blah.blah blah. you don;t know me. And I dont give a damn about what you say about me coz I don;t know you either, who the hell are you anyway . just like pac who never give to floyds demands since, who the hell is he anyway ?
todaline Said : Bforce, let’s de-construct your arguments: yes, people all around the www were hailing Pac as a hero for having beat a previously knocked out Hatton, a severely weight drained Oscar and an even more severely damaged Cotto. That’s where I got that idea.
Let me add your lists ( and this is an honest no bs statements :
Chatchai Sasakul – ( top flywgt during that time, almost won the fight but is too stupid and got caught . well its flywgt , no american give a damn about him.)
Lelo Ledwaba ( damn good junior featherweight )
Marco Antonio Barrera ( universally recognized featherweight champ )
Erik MOrales ( probably on his way down , but then that’s morales you got there )
JMM ( close fight ,winner depends upon your nationality. )
David Diaz ( duh, quite good but not as challenging )
ODLH ( please , oscar was not beaten coz he’s weight drained ,he was beaten bcoz he could not catch pac )
Hatton ( one funny thing about pac-haters is they consider hatton as an idiot that’s why he got caught. they could not accept the fact that pac’s style is perfect to counter hatton’s stance. Bums , if hatton is an idiot, then he should have gotten knocked out earkly in his career. Funny how it took a Pacquiao for these bums to realize that Hatton is an idiot )
Cotto ( damaged goods ? basis please, basis. He may be not be the same as what once he was but still a top welterweight. He really nailed pac some good shots. pac admitted it himself during the presscon that he was hurt but tried to put it out of his mind during the fight . A memo from hell to you haters : Pac has been sparring with junior welters during his juniorfeatherwgt days, so please , stop the blabbing about peds. He has chin. His KO ? those came from body shots man,not head shots.That’s why you’ll see freddie hitting him with thai sticks to the body ,but not the head. That’s his weakness that cotto should have taken advantage.Fact stands : PAc has chin. Barera know it, morales knows it.Marquez gave him one nice hook at the 2nd fight – 2nd round , but pac took it pretty well. Where Juan diaz fail , pac took it well. )
Gents, I applaud you all Pac defenders for working hard to prevent reality from getting in the way of a few good lies.
Todaline:
Greatness is earned in the ring, not on the microphone. It doesn’t matter what anyone on this site says, the proof is that Floyd has not tested himself against a top Welter in the 5 years he’s been in the division. Nuff Said! There are no excuses for a fighter who has a plethora of top contenders in his weight division not to fight at least 1 of them (in 5 years). NO EXCUSE, you mean you couldn’t make your matchmaker/flunkies negotiate to fight 1 of the top fighters? You mean to tell me you couldn’t get Cotto, Pwil, Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Berto, or PAc. Damn, either you have a horrible management team or you just don’t want to fight the top fighters. Floyd tried to pull Malignagi or Bradley out of his ass for this next fight (two 140 pound fighters – no surprise there), but the true fan wasn’t buying that BS. He had no choice after Mosley punkd his stuttering ass after the JMM debacle. Floyd has the talent to beat all of these guys, but I don’t think he’s man enough to test himself. That’s the sad part about Floyd, he talks so much trash but hasn’t backed it up at 147. What you do in the ring will be remembered forever, not what you talked about you could do.
Jrock ur absolutly correct man respect can’t be earned on the mic(or the keyboard)!!!!! What have u done with ur life that’s sooo great compared to Floyd? How many amature fights did u win, did u represent ur country in the olympics, how many world titles did u win and in how many weight classes?how many years did u spend ontop of the pfp list and how long have u been unbeaten? How u gonna call this man a multiple weght world champion millionair selfmade and pfp great a coward bitch and whatever else. Looks like ur green like the hulk hommie straight envy, the worst sin of all
Robert: I was 23 and 2 with 14 KO’s as an amateur fighting out of fight town USA Philadelphia, PA in the early to mid 70’s. I decided I wanted to go to college because I wanted to get paid to think, not fight. I was also offered a basketball scholarship to several small division 1 colleges. So I do know about the dedication it takes to be successful. I am also a successful businessman and own three separate companies and employs over 100 people and have been blessed to be very successful. I chose my lot in life and I don’t covet what any man has because you don’t know what comes with it. What I do know is that Floyd has not stepped up to fight the top fighters at 147 lbs. That is a fact, no matter how you cut it. I used to love Floyd and I still admire his talent, but my personal opinion is that for the five years he has been a welter, for some reason he has not challenged the best in the division (Cotto, Pac, Margarito, Pwil, Clottey, Cintron, Mosley). Stop telling people you are the greatest when you don’t test yourself against other top fighters in your weight class. At 130 & 135 he was a monster, at 147 he hasn’t fought the best talent; and that is a fact, not an opinion. You are a true fight fan, belts don’t mean anything, real fans know who the best fighters are. People are tired of hearing about why you can’t fight this guy or that guy (he has 5 losses, he’s not undefeated like me, he can’t draw a crowd etc.) just make the best fights and build on your legacy. The question remains, does Floyd dare to be great? That means beating the best. There are 2 acts to Floyd’s play. Act 1: 130 – 135 = great. He beat all the top people in his division. Act 2:= To Be Determined. On the streets of Philly, we didn’t care if someone beat us in a trash talking match; we used to say “you can talk all day, let me see you hold your hands”. What that means is you can talk all you want, but if your serious, you’ll put your hands up for a fair one. Hey Floyd, put your hands up for a fair one against the top welters, that’s all!
Jrock09, get your facts straight man. If you’re a successful businessman as you claim you should know that success is about opportunities. Luck doesn’t exist, you PROVOKE it, you create it. PBF called out most of the WW you’re citing, when it was in his best business interest. It was not in the others guys best interest so they declined to fight him. No problem right? Now when Mosley needs a big payday, the tooth ache is suddenly gone, he calls out PBF and PBF should acquiesce? Cotto declined because he didn’t feel ready and when he calls PBF should go out of his way to accommodate him?
Margarito? The DLH fight was looming so to PBF having Baldomir’s belt as a negotiating tool was way better than anything else. Besides, PBF was not about to give in to Arum’s BS. Remember how Arum used to call him the greatest thing in the world when he had him? Now suddenly he’s a coward and a below average fighter!!! And the most amazing thing is that you guys believe a guy who makes his money LYING. Bob “Yesterday I was lying but today I’m telling the truth” Arum, your hero is more credible than PBF?
Remember, boxing is also a BUSINESS and fighters fight whomever brings them the most money. Those who fight for “the love of the sport”, those who fight those we want them to fight are dumb fighters. Amazing how you say that you wanted to get paid to think, not fight. Floyd thinks and then fights, and thinks while fighting, while we bitch about his thinking ways. Can’t you admire that?
One last thing: how is it possible for so many people to HATE one guy? The amount of time spent to bring him down is just amazing. You can disagree with his claim of All Time Greatest, as I do, you can disapprove of his choice of opponents, you can find him boring (I don’t), but for God’s sake be RATIONAL, don’t wish he was killed in the ring or out of the ring. It’s just a sport and we have the right, ALL of us, to like or dislike an athlete, we have the right to think he’s bad or good. What we don’t have the right to is our own facts and hatred toward said athlete.
And what most of you DO NOT understand is that boxing is as mental as it is physical. And as such PBF not only plays with his opponent’s mind but mostly YOURS, so that he can put “asses in the seats” and sell PPVs. Indeed, wouldn’t you celebrate if he lost? So EVERY time he fights you fall right into his trap and watch/buy his fights in hopes of seeing him lose. He doesn’t so you run to your computer and write insanities about the guy, waiting (im)patiently for his fall. In the meantime he’s selling PPVs, thanks to you.
Did you say you went to college because you wanted to get paid to think? Would you please give me the name of that College so I won’t make the mistake of sending my kids there? You know I want them to think, not react emotionally…
todaline, your point of us PBF haters falling into his trap is a bit pathetic. I have never bought nor will I ever buy a Floyd fight. If I dont like the fighter why would I put money into his pocket. I dont like the guy not becasue of his obvious skill but because of all his negatives. He has way to many cons vs pros for me and as such I wont watch him fight.
Brian, good for you. That is the way to punish a guy we don’t like. Don’t buy his fights, the same way you punish a politician by not voting for him. Now, on the pathetic comment: why do you think he’s the king of PPV? Yeah I know it’s never him, it’s the opponent selling those PPV, which is exactly my point: you guys buy the fights to see him lose, making him rich and the king of PPV, whether you want to admit it or not. Still pathetic?
Todaline: I graduated from Temple University with a major in finance and a minor in marketing. I don’t hate Floyd or anyone else, I respect Floyd’s talent and his skill. The bottom line is if you are going to talk so much junk, then back it up at 147. I also do not pay for Floyd fights against over matched opponents, I watch them at a friends house. I won’t pay for fights unless I think they are good fights (like I won’t pay for Bhop vs. RJJ). Unlike many people on this site, I HAVE laced them up, so I do have a frame of reference that some people may not have. There have been many great fighters and businessmen like Sugar Ray Leonard who managed his own career (towards the end) and dared to fight the best because he was not scared to test himself. That’s all, that’s it. You can frame it anyway you want about why Floyd didn’t fight whoever, but if two fighters want to get it on and it makes money sense, more times than not, they will make it happen. Why has every other top welter in the last 5 years (Clottey, Margarito, Pwil, Cotto, Mosley, Cintron and now Pac) fought each other, but Floyd hasn’t faced any of them yet? If he’s not fighting these guys, who the hell would you really pay to see him fight, more 140 pounders? Floyd looks to be taking the page out of RJJ’s book; fighting lesser fighters for the most money; damn even Roy stepped it up to fight Ruiz (I guess that’s cool if money is your only goal). Great fighters are motivated by a higher purpose than money, they are motivated by being considered an all-time great. Like I said, true boxing fans know that legacies are made in the ring, not on the mic.
Jrock, thanks for the info, College info that is. So you don’t buy the fights yet you’ll watch them. Why? There are a few fighters I don’t like and refuse to even watch them, even for free. I have done some fighting as well, although not boxing so I relate to that. Just in case they didn’t teach you (I taught business) how to “create” interest in a product, watch PBF and learn. He’s magnificent at it. Leonard? If you’ve been watching boxing as long as you claim then you should remember the bad press he had. Now going back to PBF and with the business degree you claim to have, you probably understand that Arum would, as he’s done, ANYTHING he can to keep PBF away from ANY of his fighters. But Arum being Arum, with all the influence he has in the press, he’ll make a few calls claiming that Floyd is scared of this one or that one and you guys fall right into it.
It amazes me how uneducated EDUCATED people can be.Why would PBF fight PWill for peanuts when 20-30 Mil are waiting for him? Just because we say so? Why would he fight Cintron the Bum and for how much? Cotto? Arum said not ready!! Mosley? Toot ache!! Clottey? Never came up and if it does, how much after his losses? Margo? Yes, he ducked him for Oscar (later. Vision, my friend, vision). And the answer to why all the WW fought each other was that they didn’t have a name and doing so would put them on the map. The map where PBF was already.
Did you know that most ATG died broke and miserable? And if you know that so does PBF and you better believe him when he says that legacies don’t pay the bills…
You keep saying you guys, I’ll type slower so you understand. I don’t/Won’t buy his fights. It has nothing to do with punishing him, I have better uses for my money than to give it to him. It takes two to make a PPV fight so of course it’s partly due to him I wont deny that. He’s only recently King of PPV, DelaHoya was but he retired.
I dont care if he wins or loses I just don’t like the him, it has nothing to do with his boxing ability or style. I don’t like his attitude, how he disrespects other people, his double talk, his lies and the way he generally represents himself. It’s just not him, anybody who fits into the same catagory of person that he is I feel the same way about.
I think rock has a point to a certain extent, but only at 147!!! Amd barley act 1 he dido what he had to I think. But let’s not judge until he is finished with his career. Then we can gauge him acuratley. To throw personal insults isn’t needed. When I do it it’s in jest let’s show eachother a little respect. Rock earned the right to say whatever he wants in my book! He knows what it’s like to compete against somebody who’s coming at u. And knows when ur lungs burn and ur tired u have to push hardder. That’s 1 thing that pisses me off about alot of these keyboard badases they don’t even know how that feels but they r steady popping shit ala Larry merchant
ALL FIGHTS MAKE MONEY!!!! nuff said…its the part of fraud pricing himself out and then saying the other guy is scared part that irks people. the guy is a POS, very skilled, but a POS…and if you want to use the money part, ala walking away from 40 million, than why wouldnt floyd take candy from a baby. in short, why would he not make 8 million for five disrespectful easy fights in a year instead of weaseling his way for 1 big fight. 8 mill for an easy 30 mins of work…ill take it everyday of the week.
now back to the other top WW…its easy to price yourself out or want to fight to accomodate yourself, like when shane had a toothache. do you really think chicken delahoya was going to allow shane to fight floyd and beat hime when he knew he was going to get the higher payday 1st, NO. and why would you ask shane to fight 2 months after he just went through a grueling match with a 170lber. theres no way in hell he fights pwill, NEVER!!!! cotto when he was still a bit green, cintrons a killer if he connects, margarito wouldve stalked him and his workrate is wayyyy to high, clottey would be easy pickens, and the kid wants nothing to do with pac. too awkward…wants blood drawn to weaken him for sure…pac is an active fighter, you take blood b4 the fight and he slows whereas fraud is a 1 punch machine and it wouldnt have too much of an effect.
Hey Pedro, are you censoring me?
This just in they hyped the fight and blew it off and now they are gonna fight in September. Problem is Pacman got knocked out by Clottey in the 6th round, and Floyd incurred a real rib injury against Mosley.
Todaline: Who should Floyd fight? You gave us every excuse for him not to fight the top fighters at welter. If he wants to make money (which you say it’s all about, not legacy)who should he fight that’s gonna draw? Also, all time greats didn’t die broke because they didn’t take fights, they died broke because they didn’t manage their money (Ray isn’t broke, Hagler isn’t broke, Lennox isn’t broke). Who should Floyd fight after Mosley? Floyd said he’s paid-in-full so it really shouldn’t matter, right? He said on 24/7 the difference between him and everyone else is that his stuff is paid for (meanwhile they repo’d one of his cars) and he negotiated to pay 6 mil in back taxes after the JMM fight. That should tell you not to believe everything he says (or any of them for that matter). And I agree with you about Arum; everybody has their own agenda, you have to read between the lines and come to your own conclusions. Come on man, you’re taking this pretty personal; I’m just voicing my opinion, you know it’s real easy to be a tough guy on the keyboard, how about a little respect between people that disagree?
Todaline=Floyd groupie who wishes he was on Mayweathers payroll. …Enjoy watching Mayweather borefests and changing the crybabies diapers…seriously you haven’t offered any reasoning to why you think Floyd is exciting to watch. I think it is obvious that Floyd hasn’t proved a lot since 135. He wins his fights, but there is more to being great than winning. I actually enjoy Floyd’s interviews more than his fights. I went all the way to Vegas to cover Floyd vs Marquez and to my dismay it was a total disappointment. Marquez tried to win, but considering that everytime “the lightweight” threw a punch Floyd got on his bike or defensive mode he never had a chance to make it a fight. I know Floyd is a boxer by nature, but he really is a disappointment when many consider him the best fighter pound for pound…Pac is the best fighter pound for pound Floyd is the best boxer pound for pound. He alienates the sport and drives away new fans with his attitude and style. James Toney is a great defensive fighter but at least he engages.
Jrock, no excuses from me. I’m just giving you facts. Who should PBF fight “that’s gonna draw”? Are you being sarcastic? ANYBODY he fights, he draws!!! The ATG died broke because most fights earned them peanuts, and I’m talking about the Greats of the Golden Era. Who should PBF fight after Mosley? Hey, I’m not his promoter so, bad question. And again, the money he earns and unwisely spends is none of our problems and we should not be discussing how he spends the PPV money his haters pay to see him KO’d. I don’t believe everything PBF says, far from it (I don’t admire the man, I do admire the boxer, the artist. But I guess you guys have a tough time understanding that), but you seem to believe everything coming out of Arum’s potty mouth. You don’t need to read between Arum’s line, he flat out lies on EVERYTHING.
No Jrock I’m not taking anything personal, just countering what I believe to be misinformation and you’re right we can agree to disagree while showing respect and if you re-read my posts you’ll see that I DO NOT disrespect ANYONE. I just make my points, passionately.
KP, I’ve never been no one’s groupie and never had any desire to be on anyone’s payroll. I’m on my own payroll and happy with it (how do you think I find time to write here if I had a boss?). Finding a PBF fight boring is the same as leaving a Pavarotti concert before it ends because it’s “boring”. I had two friends telling each other : how can you listen that shit? One was a Mozart’s fan and the other Tupac’s. See, all subjective.
See, for the life of me I cannot understand this “he got on his bike”. The guy doesn’t run, he defends, he makes you miss. Besides, who prevents the other guys from bringing their bikes in the ring? As you know you can go a lot faster forward that backward. Boxing is the art of hitting and not getting hit and PBF applies that marvelously. And for a guy who drives away fans he seems to have a lot of followers: those who admire his craft and those who hate him so much that they follow his every move just in case something bad would happen to him. You wouldn’t want to miss that, would you?
Now you’re citing Toney, the king of trash talking who engages as much as PBF, takes more punishment than PBF, as a good example. How do you spell BIAS?
Todaline: If Floyd decided to fight Malignagi or Bradley I guarantee he wouldn’t draw flies if he had a pile of shit in his pants. The only person in the last 10 years that could fight a lightly regarded fighter and draw big was ODLH. I think what you’re seeing on this site and other sites is a backlash from true boxing fans who understand that Floyd has not fought (you can call it ducking or dodging or good matchmaking or whatever)the top welters. That’s why you see all of the negatives against Floyd. The only way it will stop is by fighting better competition. Listen to the interview with Floyd and R A The Rugged Man; R A said it the best listen up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHmCYlIsX5E). The groundswell has been growing for a while. Just like people tell Manny to take the drug test and prove he’s not on roids; well Floyd should take some better opponents to prove he’s an ATG. But here’s the difference, Manny being on roids is speculation; Floyd not fighting top welters is a FACT. You also mentioned it’s none of our business what he does with his money; well it’s nobody’s business if some of these fans spend money on his PPV fights (I don’t). I appreciate your enthusiasm as a Floyd backer, but my information is not misinformation, it’s my opinion. Floyd not fighting a top welter in 5 years is FACT!
Since Floyd draws so much with anybody he fights then why all the talk of it’s all buisness and he’s has to get paid. Him being the draw that he is should be able to fight anybody and make money. If that is the case then a P will fight isnt out of the question becasue it doesnt matter if P Will isnt known becasue Floyd is such a draw.
I’ll admit he is part of the draw but you can’t really say he is the draw because then all the excuses of who is this guy goes right out the window.
Here’s the correct link to R A the Rugged man vs. Floyd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHmCYlIsX5E
Would love to see todaline and Jrock09 in the ring against each other. This has been quite entertaining, and I’m sure it would be even more entertaining in the RING. Jrock09 the former boxer vs. todaline the business instructor (he didn’t say which martial discipline, just that he has “done some fighting”) for three rounds. Maybe PEDRO can set this up and make it happen.
My money is on Jrock09 (cuz “done some fighting” can mean back in 7th grade / “taught business” can mean giving your ROP kids business advice) since he seems to have more sound and precise arguments (incl. specifying universities, amateur record, city, etc.), and seems to be less emotional in the way he presents his case (I say the Temple University graduate’s intellect and ability to control his emotions carries over into the ring).
What say ye Jrock09 and todaline?