PACMAN & DRUG TESTING: THE VERDICT!
March 17th, 2010 By Brian Gorman
THIS IS THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION
Pittsburgh, PA- All rise! The Court of Public Opinion is now in session, and we call the case of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. versus Manny Pacquiao on the issue of Mr. Mayweather’s demand for Mr. Pacquiao to take random blood tests before a proposed bout, if Mayweather defeats Shane Mosley on May 1. We have also considered Pacquiao’s counterclaim that this condition serves as a mere ruse for Mayweather to continue avoiding his most dangerous ring challenges. The Court has heard the parties’ arguments, rhetoric, banter and propaganda, and we will now address the issues and render our decision.
COUNT ONE: BLOOD VS. URINE TESTS
Mayweather reasonably contends that the state athletic commissions use antiquated testing methods that have been defeated by such boxing notables as Mosley and Evander Holyfield. He has the support of the World Anti-Doping Agency ( WADA), which contends that urinalysis is inferior to blood testing, since urine tests fail to catch such useful performance enhancers as Human Growth Hormone. WADA uses and advocates for random blood tests to test international competitors, including Olympians. However,
until a European rugby player tested positive for HGH this past month, WADA had recorded zero positive HGH blood tests. Nevertheless, blood testing has at least an equivalent if not greater value than urine testing, and the commissions’ excuse that it is expensive rings hollow in a contest that will generate tens of millions of dollars and where the participants can reach any private agreements they wish.
COUNT TWO: NEEDLES
Mr. Pacquiao submits that a fear of blood draws renders him physically and psychologically weakened and thus at a competitive disadvantage, pointing to his last loss, to Erik Morales. Mayweather responds that Pacquiao has several tattoos, and a blood draw only takes a quickly-regenerated spoonful of blood. Your author feels compelled to share that I suffer from the same phobia as Pacquiao: Though a shot in the back of the arm, or anywhere else for that matter, provides nothing more than a mild inconvenience, even the smallest blood draw from any vein in my arm gives rise to cold sweats, dizziness and feinting. (Call me a wussy, but at least I can now say that I’m just like Pacquiao.) Still, given that Mr. Pacquiao stands to gain $25-50 million on this bout and, according to ex-BALCO head Victor Conte, no tests are necessary in the last days before the fight, a blood draw up until a week before the bout should allow him to fully recover mentally and physically well before fight night.
COUNT THREE: EXCUSES
Is Mayweather merely searching for an escape route by demanding random blood tests, or is Pacquiao, or perhaps Top Rank chief Bob Arum, looking for a way out of a loss, not just to Mayweather, but of stature and a rare wave of momentum? A review of their resumes reveals that, while Pacquiao has pitted himself against the cream of each weight class he’s graced, Mayweather has earned a reputation for ducking his most threatening challengers to face safer but profitable foes in order to pad his undefeated record. The Court of Public Opinion decides that, though Pacquiao would no doubt fight Mayweather, his promoter Arum would deprive the sport of this event in order to protect his meal ticket or just to spite Mayweather, and Pacquiao must be held responsible for the actions and decisions of his team. Mayweather cannot enjoy the so-called high road here, though, considering the pool of the elite with whom he has not shared the ring. Where perception is reality, he must be the one who blinks when his bluff is called.
COUNT FOUR: PROOF
Team Pacquiao accurately points out that absolutely no proof exists that he has used illegal PEDs. His sustained excellence throughout nine weight classes remains extraordinary but provides no actual evidence beyond mere unsubstantiated suspicion to date. His supposed super human power carried through the divisions is actually overstated, since his opponents had more to do with the outcomes – Oscar De La Hoya had a great chin but nothing else; Ricky Hatton had a questionable chin and an unquestionably porous defense; Miguel Cotto looked like he has post-Margarito; and Joshua Clottey had a steel frame but a soft will. And yet Pacquiao fails to mention, or to realize, why he’s under a cloud of suspicion – because he’s an elite athlete in a steroid era. Sure, there’s no proof he’s used, but here’s some proof for you: Barry Bonds. Alex Rodriguez. Roger Clemens. Mark McGwire. Sammy Sosa. Marion Jones. Tim Montgomery. Shawne Merriman. Floyd Landis. Mosley. Evander Holyfield. Are there any similarities amongst these athletes? They accomplished athletic feats that surpassed not only their peers but the greats of yesteryear, and they were cheats. The Court of Public Opinion has lost its faith in the great athlete’s purity.
THE VERDICT
The Court finds no merit in Pacquiao’s position that he can avoid the proposed blood testing without consequence, in this case a stain upon, or at least a question about, his reputation. Should Pacquiao still refuse to engage in the testing in spite of the damage he will suffer, the Court sees no merit in Mayweather’s contention that he can avoid a Pacquiao bout and emerge unscathed. Therefore, the claim and the counterclaim are both hereby dismissed, and the parties are directed to come to terms for a fight or risk forever tarnishing their careers and legacies. Court is adjourned.
Brian Gorman
Damn, u hit the nail on the head!! Why the majority of boxing writers don’t see it this way is puzzling!!! I’m no big Mayweather fan, but if the PED testing is good enough for Mayweather and Mosley, it damn sure is for “PACMAN” as well!!!!!
What about the offer from the Pacquaio team to draw the blood after the fight? After all, if he’s using something it’ll still be there and it negates whatever psychological disadvantages it would give him for the bout.
LMAO…you guys are pathetic! This is obvious to me that you are very biased. You stated Floyd’s words but not Pacquiao’s words. So one-sided! Get outta here with that. Floyd is scared, he’s worried that he will lose his winning streaks.
You just sound just a bunch of racists writers!
Floyd is a money hungry, attention whore individual. I’m not even going to say “fighter” cuz he isn’t one! “Biggest mansion in Vegas,” my ass! Big headed, arrogant cunt! That’s my opinion!
It’s during training that they need to be tested. Pac wouldn’t take a test 14 days out. If I were fighting him, I’d want almost weekly testing to assure that EPO is not being used. I could be fighting Willie Fall, don’t matter. In todays era of steroids, epo, etc., I’d want everybody to be tested period.
SKERGE
buddy, where r u? i cannot find u from the other article. im starting to miss u. please dont run away from me!
“Im the greatest boxer of all-time” – PBF. If so, why not just fight, why ask for all these drug testing requirements which are beyond what the governing bodies require. Why would someone dignified enough, give in to the demands of somebody who maligned his reputation, verbally attacked his countrymen, discriminated his race and made malicious imputation on his country. Pacman never turned away from a 25M dollar drug test…he turned his back against an arrogant imbecile and his 25M “drug testing bait” to kiss his a*@!
oh so its EPO mr. pedro.. here something for you..
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources1/Q-and-A/Q-A-EPO-Detection/
When was a test to detect EPO implemented?
A test for EPO was introduced at the 2000 Summer Olympic Games in Sydney (Australia). The test, validated by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), was based on the blood and urine matrix. A blood screening was performed first, and a urine test was then used to confirm possible use of EPO.
In June 2003, WADA’s Executive Committee accepted the results of an independent report stating that urine tests alone can be used to detect the presence of recombinant EPO. This report, requested by WADA’s stakeholders and commissioned by the Agency to evaluate the validity of urinary and blood tests for detecting the presence of recombinant EPO, concluded that urinary testing is the only scientifically validated method for direct detection of recombinant EPO. This report also recommended that urine testing be used in conjunction with blood screening for a variety of reasons, including the cost savings of performing blood screening prior to testing urine. Some international sports federations still use both urine and blood matrix for the detection of EPO. Recently, the urine test was adapted to blood to perform detection of some new erythropoiesis stimulating agents.
see that mr. pedro.. WADA says urine testing acceptable even without blood testing.. and may i remind you that pacquiao agreed to unlimited urine testing throughout the training camp.. and that’s WADA for you mr. pedro..
i’m sure you after this you gonna say ‘NO it’s PED.. uhm NO it’s steriods.. something undetectable’.. or you’re not gonna allow this post to be validated as per your bias.. and you call yourself a journalist..
And please Mr. Gorman stop saying its the verdict of the Court of Public Opinion…the article was a biased Verdict of the Court of Your Personal Opinion!
the question is really not the blood testing. but the timing of the test…
There are two sides of a coin yet you can only one side of it. Review all Manny’s video and you can see that during his skinny days he was knocking bigger opponents. Listening to Floyd’s mouth will make you dumb.
Verdict : They should abide by the rules & regulations of the Nevada Boxing Commission p e r i o d. Who the hell is Mayweather changing the rules of the governing bodies. He’s not even a title holder and noted to be a ducker just to preserve his zero loss records. It’s obvious that he very sacred of Pacquiao.
Even pacquiao submit to blood test and test negative they will think pacquiao is on PED still or find another reason that he did not use the steroids that time, because they can still cant accept how great pacquiao is, before they same all he beat is old, wash up, unquestionable chin, now he is on steroid wow and for those who believe in A-side myth hahahahahahahaaha… idiot.
This is CRAP!
No logical debate will influence anyone like this writer.
Waste of time.
PEOPLE POWER NEWS: BOYCOTT MAYWEATHER THIS MAY!!!!
Hey! You don’t even know if there will actually be any drug testing for Mayweather and Mosley. Seeing is believing.
I think ur final verdict doenst weight the arguemnts stated… and BTW, ur analysis of each argumnt is poor.. so please nxt time..dnt act like u r a jury..
One thing I forgot to mention you did not mention the suppose e-mail Teddy Atlas was talking about. What is your verdict again?
Pretty stupid article Mr. Gorman – Pacquiao never said he was afraid of needles – Arum did. EPO can be detected using unrine tests Moron. It’s HGH that can be detected in bloodtests but are not effective if taken without EPO. So if urine tests don’t show EPO your bloodtests are essentially useless for HGH. Coz it will not improve performance. – Face it Mayweather’s scared in his pants to fight Pacquiao that’s why he’s making up all these demands.
Pacquiao doesn’t care whether it’s a week or 2 that a drug test is done unless it’s not GAYWEATHER who makes the demand. Their is a committee who handles this test so why not let them say it’s needed rather than GAYWEATHER. And how sure are you that GAYWEATHER will agree to the fight if Pacquiao say yes. NONE. Coz he’ll make another stupid demands like bigger share of pay per view than Pacquiao. Which also im sure Pacquiao won’t agree. So why force a fight that a boxer involve makes stupid demands that another will not agree. It’s pointless!!!
I would like to echo what Ezra said, “Team Pacquiao is willing to take the blood test after the fight”. Most of the sports writers are failing to mention this fact.
If Pacquiao is really taking PEDS, he wouldn’t agree to blood testing even after the fight. If he tested positive of PEDS after the fight, then all his hard work
would be for naught. But Manny is willing to do so immediately after the fight, therefore, he is not guilty. Why can’t you see that?
I can’t believe you guys are feeding off Mayweather’s arrogance. I’m not surprised though. Mayweather is lying and you all believe him. Why keep pushing the issue against Pacquiao when Mayweather has no evidence to validate his point? Why not ask the governing bodies to ask for additional testing if he deemed necessary? Why the need to ruin someone’s reputation if he merely wants to ask for additional testing? You know why he’s badmouthing Pacquiao? Because he has no proof and you all fell for him. Funny, stinky website. Ha ha ha.
Team pacquiao had stated over and over again that Pac is willing to undergo random blood testing if Nevada Commission changes their rule and make every boxer undergo such tests, no exceptions. But since they won’t budge, why would they abide to such demand from A boxer. Boxers don’t make the rules, let the commission do their job by implementing new rules, and the boxers sticking to just boxing.
after watching pac vs clottey. Pacman dont need mayweather anymore. he is no match to the pacman.
Pacman will go for mosely which is more exciting.
Please no more mayweathers article anymore.. no brainer at all.
WTF!!!! Top Rank and Pacquaio already stated.Mayweather is no bigger than boxing,He is not currently the Champion and has no belts. Boxers must box, promoters must promote and the regulatory body or commissions must impose the rules!If he really wanna clean boxing, he should go to the proper commssion who handles the fights and file a petition!and Pacquaio already said,He is willing to do any kinda test as long as impose by proper authorities and NOT mayweather!! and IF the intention of Mayweather is to really clean up boxing, with or without Pacquaio He should go now to WBO/WBC/IBF etc. and all other amateur boxing federations from the lowest to the highest classes of Boxing and SAY: Hey you people! I wanna clean up boxing please instruct your people to do Random Blood Testing coz I care about Boxers and the sports of Boxing!! but in this case?? He is only after Pacquaio who has NEVER been tested of any form of illegal substances! It only shows .MAYWEATHER is SCARED of PACQUIAO!!!!and PACQUAIO NEVER said that HE is NOT willing to be tested, He AGREED to be tested 24 Minutes BEFORE the PRESSCON, 24 DAYS BEFORE the Fight and 24 MINUTES right after the Fight!!which has never been done by ANY of the GREATEST BOXERS of ALL time , not even ALI!!period!
hey !!! morons to all Manny hater, if you think Manny is a dirty fighter why you don`t want to suggets to the commision about blood/urine testing during training in preperation for fighting Clottey, and you shoulder all the expenses if you think Manny is dirty. you know, there is no one in american fighter above Manny Pacquiao by now, so that many are jealous his legacy. even how many times Manny Pacquiao cleared his name by the commission, but there are so many ditractors insist that he is a cheater like you Mr. writer.. Dont be bias b/coz media is always in the middle not one sided like you amoung athers…
i agree with may weathers plan.. 14 days test would be perfect coz that will disrupt Pacman intensive training and sparring where he could not do his 10-12 rounds for 4 days. That way Floyd will be assured of a safe and drug free opponent. Pacroid should retire!
I think Pacquiao should ante Floyd’s demands. Agree to Floyd’s rules, but extend the application to ALL members of the team. I’ll bet Roger ancd Jeff would convince Jr to refuse the fight. Just listening to the 2 elderly Mayweathers slur talk makes me wonder.
team pac request now is very simple. leave it into to rules of the commission. very easy and simple. what professional wouldn’t want to get millions under that request??
mayweather is not a comission to set the rules of boxing, pacqiuao is clean he never been caught using ped since his professioanl career,gayweather is just afraid to lose thats why he set his own rules. this article is biased
All this talk about performance enhancing drugs!!!! I don’t believe in their promises.
Show me a drug, any drug, that will enhance the performance of a fighter and I will gladly look for it. I need it in the bedroom.
Ignoramus writer!
Just one question: WHat difference in taking the test RIGHT AFTER the bout and 14 days before?
Are they fighting 14 days before? The fight night itself should suffice idiots! Thats the day that counts! Thats when you will fight your opponent!
If you reason that if he is taking something and that if he is not tested before the bout and at the bout it would be gone from his system…then whats the problem? if its gone, how can it affect the fight? idiots!
Lets just be fair! if you will mandate blood testing, just make sure xyclocaine is also prohibited! and also coming overweight should be a disqualification! both instance are REAL DOCUMENTED proof of cheating your opponent!
What’s wrong with taking the blood test in the 24-day window period and immidiately after the fight? Besides Pacquiao seems to be willing to take a test on a lower window period if not for Mayweather’s arrogant behavior in the negotiation.
If pacquiao is using PED, cant it be determined after the post fight blood testing?
team pacman will agree whatever commission end up with..
u think 14 days is a big deal for pac if that’s from the commision?…
he’ll take it. thats the bottomline and be a man inspite of phobias, whatever..
by the rules and for the fans.. not for what “no shame ruler” mayweather asks!..
he ducks manny?.. ok.. but can’t step on him that easy mr. eGorman..
You need to step back and look at the big picture instead of putting your head up Mayweathers a$$. This whole blood testing was a way out. I believe that Mayweather did intend to fight Pac up until he saw the Cotto fight. Notice how everything was going smoothly and seemed like it was a done deal then they bring up the testing b.s. Sources inside Golden Boy and close to the Mayweather camp stated that the fight was not going to be made EARLY in the negotiations. If the NSAC wanted Pac to do the unlimited blood testing then he would do it without hesitation, the fact that he even agreed to some form of blood testing, unlimited urine testing and a test IMMEDIATELY after the fight shows who was the one that really wanted to fight. Get a clue.
A fighter/athlete can use that stuff and the substance can be out of the system and undetectable after four days.
Arum issued a statement saying Pac was afraid of needles.
Pacman is the man! Floyd is the ducker!.Got it Brian!!
No, it can go out of the system in as little as 4 days.
As everyone have witnessed after duelling with Cotto, only in 4 months Pacquiao fought Clottey. Pacman was on a tight schedule and can’t be bothered with blood testing psycodrama politics of mayweather. You can also see that mayweather was not well equiped and prepared for any March 13 bout ’cause he has his thumb up his aas bitchin scared about Pacquiao. PED testing is the only excuse he could come up with.
everywhere i read,people are saying that pacquiao’s refusal to take the test at the expense of 25-40 million dollars means his guilty. can’t you see that mayweather loses the same amount of money too by making this accusations? do you also think maliciously about your colleague who is more successful than you? do you also think that everybody who is better than you is doing something wrong? and the only explanation for their success is that they are cheating. we do not have the right to accuse others the same way others do not have the right to accuse us of wrong doing on the basis of our success alone. going back to 25-40 million dollars that he left on the table, we’ll he did that because he can. who do you think now who is crying about that money?
now the name of evidence that are presented upon as you will see that they are all american athletes. Isn’t it odd that floyed is also an american and wants to be one of the great of boxing and in order to do that is by weakening his adversary in order to beat them. Come on ever since he became a welterweight he really never challenge a real welterweight division. All the ones he had beaten were either old and slow or someone he picked from a lower division got them fatten and in the sense those lower division boxer never really got use to being over weight.
@pedro fernandez, you trust arum more than pac? pac never said anything about being afraid of needles, arum likes to sugar coat everything, pac has been consistently saying he dont want blood taken close to fight night, ariza even said pac is not afraid of needles, watch “Road to Dallas”, for all we know pac would have agreed to 18 days window, arum is the head of the negotiating table for team pac, if you are to blame team pac, blame arum first, roach 2nd, i pity pac because he dont have the best pr and english skills in the world so gets caught up and misinterpreted most of the time, filipinos vouch for him because they know his personality and culture and is in the best position to interpret his actions..btw random testing is random, can take blood many times as long as testing team deems necessary so it’s not just a few drops of blood, just imagine how inconvenient that is..
if floyd’s against roids users, why the hell is he fighting shane. he’s convicted of using roids. and he’s not even asking him to do random testing. what a pathetic stupid a-hole. goes to show he’s just scared.
Pedro Fernandez, some people are good in spreading rumors nd baseless accusations and the gullibles are always the unsuspecting victims. They even went on to the point of believing Teddy Atlas e-mail but when he was forced to produce the mail, Atlas was nowhere to be found. You’re are also a victim here.
SO… LETS GET IT ON BOYS…….. ENOUGH CHIT CHAT NOW… LET THEIR GLOVES DO THE TALKING… MANO A MANO.. YEAH… LETS GO..
Mr. Gorman, Who died and made you judge, jury, and possibly the executioner? Since when have you been the “court of public opinion”? Planning to revamp the US Judicial system all by yourself? You sound like someone who claims to want to single-handedly clean up boxing. Get your head out of the clouds and you butt back on the ground. Public opinion my arse!!!
you morons do not understand the article. the author says that the claim and counter claims are both dismissed and the fighters should come to fight.
so PAC and gayweather should fight no matter what. but i think they are both cowards and they decided not to fight. the two are also greedy they want to suck our hard earned money. I think the will eventually fight for a much bigger purse. so the loser are the boxing fans.
So much of the PEDs, HGHs, EDs, ABCs and XYZs. There’s no sense why the governing bodies like NSAC or WADA have different styles of drug tests. Can they not just agree on one system that has the same goal? So that there would be nobody asking for more.
What about the nutritional supplements that can also enhance the performance of athletes? These are natural foods that provide the body with tremendous amount of elements or bioactive compounds. Examples are cordyceps or red mushrooms (google them).
Why don’t you raise this issue of random blood testing for his upcoming fight for mosley vs gayweather. Get some proof and show it to the public that they will do it, boxing fans are not stupid!!! Why he is only asking Pacman and not Mosley, they said they agreed to random blood testing but where is the proof? Let them show it in their 24/7 the actual blood testing 7 days before the fight!
If I’m PacMan, I would love to fight Malignaggi!
Submit to Random Blood until 5 day cutoff before the fight!
Fight for Charity!
I want to punish this guy for ruining my reputation!
Lets call in a witness, Manny’s brother himself Bobby which happen to be a boxer to with 29 wins and 15 LOSSES. Bobby is furious why oh why on earth Manny hasn’t shared this steriod/PED to him so that he too can counquer divisions and knock people out. (Or to his fellow Filipino friend boxers.) Guess what? there is NONE to share because Manny Pacquaio is CLEAN, he’s just one of a kind fighter, a very special one.
what can go out of the system in 4 days mr. pedro? EPO, PED, HGH? come on be more specific.. what brand goes out in 4 days and its effect.. and please don’t tell to research for it because your the one whose saying this 4 days.. at the very least you have a particular drug in mind.. would you please tell us what is this drug your referring to?
real fighters fight… no buts, no ifs, no bs. in the years ago, they fight almost every month against anybody. floyd jr is no real fighter. he’ll never fight Manny. He will find every way to avoid Pacquio. That’s for sure.
Pacquiao will take the test allright, as long as they use MMA/UFC gloves on fight night. Lets see who backs down.
Mayweather wants blood testing before each round.
He’s just scared to lose that egg.
floyd is a egomaniac psycopath with questionable background and having been linked to criminal acts. he’s a liar and people who still believe in him are blinded and decapitated to discern facts – thereby don’t deserve credibility. the author of this article is clearly stirring the floyd’s pot on his crappy ingredients to contaminates others minds, and same, this article and its author don’t merit sense, value and respect from many readers. CRAPPY!!!
And the Chief Justice of the Public Opinion Kangaroo Supreme Court is Brian Gorman!Citing all those who have taken steroids do not impute any act of illegal drug taking by Pacquiao. You are talking of people who were actually taking the illegal stuff. The Chief Justice should remand the case to the lower court.
pacquiao best wishes and good luck let these guys who want to fight you now.you dont have to prove anything to them you have proven so much to us your fans.Don’t grant these guys their fight let them get broke then i bet uyou they will come knocking at your doorstep beging for a fight.we believe your skills and dedication cannot be found in drugs its from a great fighter.
y they dont take a blood sample on mosley before they announce the fight? why there is no issue on olympic drug testing on mosley-mayweather fight? why dont you ask mayweathere about it? why only paquiao? if i will not hear any news about the test in mosley mayweather fight then im sure mayweather is ducking paquiao and he is a racist.. including the writer of this article,
It is just plain and simple. MAYWEATHER IS SCARED OF PACQUIAO. Also, Mayweather is afraid of Mosley. Before the May 1, 2010, I would not be surprised to hear that said Fight would be postponed due to Mayweather’s RIB INJURY. Wanna bet?
Mayweather is not NSAC!!..Mayweather is not WBC nor WBO or WBA or IBF, IBO….!!!
in short he is not the “RULES.”
another writer who wants recognition….why do these kind of writer address their concern to the state commission so that the commission can decide whether to upgrade their testing or not.. nonsense article….
Pedro, even if Pacman accedes to Floyd’s ridiculous demands on the random blood tests, the fight wil not happen. Floyd will just find another issue to prevent the fight from happening. There are so many things that support this. That was his only purpose for the demands, and if you bit into his deception big time, then you are more pitiful than I thought. Face the truth!
Lots of discussion have been going on but the question is if this problem about the drug testing be settled ARE WE SURE MAYWEATHER IS WILLING TO FIGHT MANNY?
if manny do the test, still ugly floyd will demand another stupid way just to escape the pacman fight… ugly floyd will demand a live autopsy for manny pacquiao..
Because pacquiao is not among us like us, he’s definitely not entitled to benefit of the doubt. GUILTY as CHARGED! This is America!
this talk about steroids were started by the mayweathers. not 60 minutes or nightline or the new york times, or HBO’s real sports, or sports illustrated… it started through the unfounded speculation of a jealous family.
The only basis for Floyds accusation is that Manny has been knocking-out opponent in an unthinkable and unimaginable grand fashion way. Floyd simply can’t believe that a small, asian fighter can do that. His greatness was threatened while the world is in awe with the Pacman. But many has not realized that Manny has been knocking-out bigger fighters in his young career that is why he was brought to Freddie coz the guy has some potential in him. Floyd is simply afraid of Pacman.
Pac is simply great. While his boxing skills were not polished just yet when he fought Barrera and Morales, he still beat them. Pac puts his heart and mind everytime he fights. He loves to fight and he intends not just to win but he takes the fight to his opponent. Meaning he takes a risk of fighting toe-to-toe of whoever he is fighting. He always intends to end the fight in an exciting way. That’s simply why people adore him.
On the contrary, Floyd fights just to win. He doesn’t care if it’s an exciting fight or if he KO’s his opponent. It’s exactly what the people are saying…a boring fighter.
The other Court of Public Opinion ruled that Pacquiao is a great athlete who does not use drugs.
people dont understand what is the reason behind the TOP rank and PACMAN side is implying to this issue.. before pacman starting to become superstar, he challeged all GBP top aces boxer frm barrera,morales,marquez,dela hoja and hatton,he fought all this fighter at there term because they say there on top over pacman..now fans have spoken with his last fight with clottey with 51T fan attendance it just show you who is on top..so its not unreasonable for him and unlce bob to dictate the term..
Hello Guys,
If we believe him then let us change the name of Nev. Boxing Commission to “Mayweather Boxing Commission”. That is simple as that. Or maybe change it to “Nevada Idiots Boxing Commission” and then the commissioner is either one of the Mayweathers period.
Wow not a single ASIAN on that list of STEROID USERS LOOKS LIKE ALL AMERICANS & MEXICANS!! HAHAHAHA Wow thats YOUR PROOF You make a awful lawyer!!
To all boxing expert pretenders!!!! FLOYD MAYWEATHER MAY USE ALL PEDs WHATEVER HE THINKS THAT COULD MAKE HIM STRONGER… PACMAN WILL STILL GONNA BEAT HIM.
sure, everybody should be tested, my question though is…how come a lot of people are taking mayweathers word when he does not have any proof at all? look at his record and his family…are they somebody you can trust, given their record of getting into trouble with the law? is mayweather bigger than the state of nevada that all he has to do is accuse somebody without proof then dictate the kind of testing he wants? and by the way why doesn’t he include xylocaine as part of their testing if he is bent on cleaning up the sports? any kind of drug you use which enhances your performance is a performance enhancing drug! punching without feeling pain in your hands can enhance your performance!for somebody who did not honor the agreed upon weight with marquez and accusing pacquioa of using PEDS is hypocritical!
Brian Gorman will be doomed forever. He is judging and accusing an innocent person. This will be Mr Gorman’s last article. He will be punished for his false accusations. Watch out …
Why are we giving so much attention to mayweathers or any idea like the maywethers? They don’t have the credibility. They have plenty of criminal records, beating women, his father was convicted of selling drugs. Floyd is always fighting small guys (Marquez was 130 forced to go up to 147weight class to insure floyd will win and to matter worse floyd even came overweight) This issue is about principle. Floyd should box and fight in accordance with the rules of the boxing commission. He should not make his own rules just to apply on Manny. If he want to be part of the any boxing commission which i think he is not qualified, he should resign again and apply for chairmanship in any american boxing commission and advocate what he truly “believe”. He role is to fight not to make his own rules and impose it to somebody.
what? pacquiao afraid of needles? look at his tattoos, hahaha stop making me laugh pacquiao, you are an idiot ever since.
Since Pedro agrees and insists all Boxers should give blood I’m sure we will be seeing an article soon stating how he is pushing for Paulie to do random blood test for his fight with Khan. We all know Paulie can’t punch worth a shit but he has to be on steroids for his mouth to move as much as it does.
You Pinoys just can’t handle the truth!
Another DUMB Pacnut. The testing needs to occur during training as that’s when these drugs are administered.
Brian Gorman is a practicing attorney.
Pedrao fernandez is on Gayweather’s payroll so please try understand him/her! it can go as little as four days? well, few minutes after the fight is way far from 4 days dumb!
I believe this man’s opinion matters:
http://youtubeboxingvideos.blogspot.com/2010/03/bert-sugar-knows-who-is-to-blame-for.html
Dah, because it will be out of the system by fight time!
But the rules are about as tough as a wet paper bag. Can’t you simpletons see and acknowledge such?
Oral steroids can be gone in four days!
Dubai Fans,
Can you read & comprehend? They are doing random testing for May-Mosley.
are you sure they will be doing the random testing?.
my ass
In your Kangaroo court.
Is there any scientific article or site that tells how long these drugs stay in one’s system?
Pedro, i respect your opinion and I believe that Mr. Gorman is a fine writer (some bloggers are out of line with their basless comments) but even with oral steriods, isn’t it true that they can be found through urineanalysis? I agree with you on better testing, but why not put efforts in better testing ALL Around, that way change is actually made for everyone? Maybe there’s even better testing methods that are less invasive that could be explored…
Go back and listen to the Victor Conte appearance on Ring Talk Worldwide radio about six weeks ago!
what a load of crap.
If i were mayweather and I am as good as I say I am, i wouldnt be scared of anybody – let them take drugs, bring their whole family, I will take them on.. and I will show the world how good I really am!
but no, mayweather is just looking for excuses! what a loud-mouth stupid cunt! How about Pacman, will he fight mayweather if he is using PED’s?! I bet he still would, because he is a true fighter!
Sorry ass loser! go cry to your momma!
The point here for Pacman is honor. He never said he does not want to be tested. All he wants is that the boxing commission will be the one mandating it and not this ugly fag. My friends, if you are not familiar with Filipino culture then shut your mouths. It is not all about the money like most Americans are acquainted to. It is about honor. He is the pound for pound king, fighter of the decade, & fighter of the year and yet he will just be pushed around by a has been cherry picking, media glamourized apeman?
You forgot to consult the public. Pac is innocent. Mayweather is scared.
Good article! The Pac Nuts and Pretty Boys shouldn’t have anything to complain about if their blinders are off!
What is baffling!!! People are giving Manny the benefit of the doubt, because blood test weakens him!!!!!! BS GET THE F$?K OUTTA HERE MANNY!! Roach had no problem with it, until Manny, Arum, and most importantly “ARIZA” and his “magical concoctions” got involved!! Is anything ever perfect??????
Pedro it’s a shame! That u have to offer so much rebutal to so many idiots!
24 days, 14 days…all bullshit. The point is Mayweather is not the commission. Manny has emphasized time and again he will do ALL that the commission requires him to do as long as it is the COMMISSION that requires it and not any other boxer specially if it is Mayweather asking for it.
C’mon Floyd and Flomos, cut the shitty crap and accept the fight under the rules of the commission. Pac is so ready to fight and this is the only thing holding it up. Fuckin’ no-belter is asking the p4p#1 and welterweight champion of the world to kiss his ass? No way that’s going to happen.
Pedro if it’s oral steriod, Definitely URINE test is good enough.
Pac never been tested positive for ped, moneymay documented xylocaine user. pac never cheat on weight money may documented 2 lbs overweight in marquez fight. So Judge Gorman the verdict should not be a dismissal…but then i undertand being a moron that you are not an idiot being the judge in this court. I am comforted by the fact that this is a court of public opinion where lies are the foundation therefore no need of evidence and facts for proof. But i would like to call you Nemo or Orca or Tuna cause it smells fishy here, I remember fish are caught by their mouth.
If this PED exist how come it is only manny that is excelling? Bonds and McGwire and all the other athletes you mentioned are huge. they have bulging muscles and all. what about Manny? he still looks the same eversince Morales fight. Only more fit now because he didn’t have to drain weight. this article is a proof Gorman is one of those believers that Manny is on some “A side Meth”. This accusations are beacuse of his previous fights… some of which was reasoned because De la Hoya was weight drained, Hatton has no defense, and Cotto is damaged goods. So, which one is it? is it PED or his opponents are just njot as good? Pick one side and stick to it. I will respect your opinions more if you stick to one. or do you believe its the combination of both? jealousy breeds hate. This is what i see in this article.
The testing needs to be RANDOM, I’m sure Pacquiao isn’t on drugs but there will be suspicions until he takes RANDOM blood tests until close to the fight, 24 days is a ridiculously long time.
What the article forgets to address is that Pacquiao & Arum have both stated that they would be willing to do Olypic-style testing if the Nevada State Athletic Commission requires it, not if Floyd does. So if NSAC says, “Hey Manny, gotta give blood even the day before,” he’ll do it.
Also not addressed is why Floyd is OK with a 14-day testing window, but not 24. Wasn’t Floyd concerned that Pacquiao could conceivably shoot up PEDs & then flush it out a day or two before the fight? If that really was his concern, how does the 14-day window solve that? It doesn’t…meaning Floyd is BS’ing & posturing.
Mr. Brian Gorman is an idoit. I wonder if he has a College Degree? Obviously he does not know anything about the whole ordeal and he keeps flopping his jaws. He is just wasting our time. If Manny will take Drug Test then all the boxers should.
Manny is willing to do Drug Test 26 days and after the fight..stupid!!
At Pedro Fernandez, listen to what Beert Sugar has to say and ask yourself why Floyd could not ask for hair testing instead of blood. Open up your brain man. Peace
Pedro: If Manny is tested right after the fight, wouldn’t drugs show up in the test? I never heard of a performance enhancing drug that disapears from the system instantly. Floyd is just trying to get a psychological advantage over Manny, that’s all. Like Bert Sugar said, Floyd is scared to lose his undefeated record. He will duck, dodge, and try to gain any advantage he can. My father used to always tell me to “remember the source” when you receive information. The source of the steroid rumors are from two of the dumbest jackasses I have ever seen or heard (Floyd Sr. & Roger Mayweather). Let the commission do their job, and let the fighters do their job, plain and simple. Floyd doesn’t run shit but his mouth. If he was so concerned about cleaning up the game he should have been trying to do this a long time ago. Do you find it interesting that this started because he was going to face an opponent that had the potential to give him his first loss. He didn’t ask Baldomir, Zab, or Gatti did he? All of a sudden he’s some f*&^%g hero coming to save the game. Bull shit, he’s looking for any advantage he can get. Floyd knows that true boxing fans weren’t buying that BS ducking and dodging and claiming to be the greatest. He finally had to step up, and that only happened because Berto pulled out. If not we would have seen him face Malignagi or Bradley (two 140 pounders). Mosley by decision or late round KO. Floyd is finally fighting a true welter with skill and heart and a new trainer Bro Nazim that will lay the groundwork for the victory. Floyd hasn’t proved a thing at 147 yet.
F**k, I’ll say it again. Some steroids and epo can be washed out of the system in four days. Why do you guys keep making up excuses for Pac? Take the test and show the world you’re not a cheat!
Oh, what an elementary logic this article has…LMAO!
Great article!! Ringtalk is amazing!!
Mr gorman what you have submitted to us is a case of trial by pubicity with the premise of the added blood testing is assumed to be the mandate of nsac.your presentation should be base on the existing mandate and not on boxer’s wishes.the truth is pacman’s reputation had been tarnished by floyd’s unfounded criticism and the notion of trial by publicity only favors the host and you knows it. Your verdict must be that floyd must abide to the rules of nsac and ordered to fight pacman accordingly that way only we the people outside of usa can see equality.or if in case pac-floyd match doesnt happen i had no regrets coz i just love to see my idol performs against any top opponents.
F**k, I’ll say it again, why should he? Until every other boxer is treated the same then why? You nor anyone else has given any proof that he is guilty of anything. Others have already pointed out is weight through the years. Floyd fans and yourself say how much DLH,Cotto and Hatton were shot and weight drained when Pac fought them so it wasnt a surprisehe won. If thats the case he has done nothing extroidanary to give people pause to think he is useing.
I’m not a Pacnut fan but fair is fair…Your letting your bias twoards Pac influence your writing or so it seems.
This is the Steroid era. What he has done is defy logic and history both. If he was clean, take the tests and show everybody!
Manny should take the test…why not? If clean he has nothing to worry about.
I wish people would quit saying “take the tests” I thought he already agreed to the tests, just not at FMJ’s demand of 14 days.
Yes, I know some steroids can be flushed out in 4 days….blah, blah, blah. If that’s the case there is no need to test at FMJ’s demand becasue he could still flush out if he was “Dirty” as you and others so eloquently accuse him of being.
If the system is flawed then change the system, with enough presure it can happen.
However Pac does not need IMHO to do anything to appease the people who are already being judge, jury and executioner without any eveidence other than he beat washed up fighters and becasue FMJ and Sr said so…..
i cant understand this retard critics or so called-analyst hating pac against drug testing. why dont they include in their articles the fact that pacquiao is willing to submit himself to a blood testing just moments after the fight, that sums all. isnt that suppose to be more than enough, geez, why cant they just say, pacman is one of a kind fighter…
Last time, blood tests are more accurate than urine. AND testing after the fight is not the best…Testing during training is the only way for accuracy.
Go to exaimer.com Paulie comes out and calls Manny a friggen cheat!
Hey Pedro why do you say “You Pinoys?”
I would say all given comments posted below are obviously with unison and are the majority – and truly can be said as “The Court of Public Opinion”.
Pac Man, please take the tests to show us that you’re clean! Floyd’s willing to take the same tests that you take to show us that he’s clean.
Pedro,
These guys are blind by Pac Fever. We’ve posted articles by PED experts that prove testing after a fight does not work because a fighter is dehydrated. The 14 day, 10 day thing is another smoke screen. The real issue team Pac avoids is RANDOM testing. Team Pac wants announced testing, meaning they want to know exactly when the test will be. That’s why their offers are specific dates 30 days before, 24 days, and right after. Way to not give in to Pac fever.
SKERGE
Dencio,
I’ve been here. You never responded to my post that shows Pac is not humble towards his opponents, Hatton specifically. He and his team mock Hatton knowing that he was being taken to the hospital. I never run.
DA SKERGE
Why Pacman refuses blood test and $40Million ??
1. Pacman does not need the money, it’s Fraud Moneymayweather who needs it (yet he calls himself money). Fraud is broke and has nothing to turn to but boxing..Pacman is a businessman, actor, singer, lots of endorsements, etc..
Pacman is a god in the Phils., you need to live their to understand this.
2. Honor, pride, integrity and principle (cultural difference) – most Fraud fans won’t understand this.
3. Pacman is the champ, lb. For lb. King, Fighter of the Decade, etc.. who is Fraud to dictate his terms. Let the commission change it if he wants..This is pro-boxing not olympics which is only every 4 yrs. Thus athletes are only tested then unlike pros.
4. Look at the physique and weight of Manny in the last 5 years and it’s clear he’s all natural.. He started at 106 lbs. Just like Fraud and look at Fraud’s body type!!
Pacman is fighting in his ideal weight and not drain himself anymore.. he has improved his boxing skill..
5. Innocent until proven guilty !! just because these family of retards accuses someone, and Fraud fans believe them! It just goes to show what kind of fans you are !! morons..low-class..
Note: Fraud the duck, chicken Mayweather is simply scared, he knows he has not power to k.o. the Pacman and he won’t win on points either by playing too much defense. Look at the best 20 – 30 fights of both fighters and compare !! quality of opposition and how he won them.. Fraud fought has been/washed up fighters and class b fighters.. simplee….his only ko above 140lbs.?? Asking Hatton to move up, that’s it??
Steroids does make you a better boxer and iron chined !! Fraud is just so jealous and scared..simple as that..!!
Pacfans are out in full force. Look maybe steroids has nothing to do with his amazing run or maybe fighting a 35 yr old in JMM who was slowing down and Pac who was in his prime realized that if he had so many problems with a past his prime fighter he needed something to help him out. Yet his competition has been weak after JMM. What’s funny is that people say Pac gets treated differently cuz he is asian. Yeah right wasn’t it Pac who got a catch weight fight with Cotto. After he lost to a faded Morales who I might add lost to Barrera then beat Pac then lost to Raheem. Y do pac fans brag so much over this victory when Morales lost 5 of his last 6 fights. His only victory was against your hero Pac. He is a great fighter but the greatest of all time? Not even close. You do know that Hatton didn’t have a world title when they fought so how did Pac win seven titles? What belt was it the WBC, WBO, IBF or WBA since Hatton didn’t have one? Pac never won 7 world titles only 5 because he won some belt at 145 which I last recalled wasn’t even a division. I’m not Mexican but y do filipinos always attack mexicans when you will never be on the same level when it comes to boxing. Look at all the fighters of Mexican descent in the game. They are just getting started. Someone said in this thread that if u don’t understand filipino culture stfu! Where in your culture does it say filipina women hook up with everyone except filipinos. We get mad love from filipinas everywhere we go.
Whether you think “scared of needles” is a crappy excuse or not, it doesn’t matter. Pac owes you NO explanation as to why he declined a highly unusual and invasive request. He is a great boxer that deserves respect and the benefit of the doubt as he has displayed top-notch sportsmanship in all areas throughout his entire career. This point is inarguable without appealing to evidence that simply does not exist other than Pac “just being too awesome”, or “acting suspicious”.
It is overwhelmingly likely that the reason Manny refuses testing due to the steroid accusations hurting him personally because of his INTEGRITY. Yes, the actions of someone acting on principle can look pretty suspicious to those cynics who could never conceive of a person being motivated by anything other than money (i actually feel sorry for you), and Floyd was counting on it.
I suggest Vegas open a line on whether Pacquiao tests positive during his career in order to absolutely fleece anyone stupid enough to legitimately believe in Mayweather Sr.’s accusations.
Pedro, you’re the one who can’t handle the truth.
Floyd Maywet is scared of Manny Pacquiao!
Paulie has a mouth we all know that. He’s looking for a career high payday that he’s not going to get. He’s not even a gate keeper on the 140LB division
hey pedro.. the closest answer i got from you for my question is ‘oral steriod’.. i thought you said pacman’s doing EPO.. now it’s ‘oral steriod’.. and pray what kind or brand of ‘oral steriod’ is it? can please tell me.. you’re the one touting this ’4 days gone’ drug thing.. first its EPO then now its ‘oral steroid’.. now tell us what is it really and please post a name so we can research this claim of yours.. pretty please? unless you won’t validate this post, you magnanimous journalist you..
Everyone missing the point…Pacquiao would gladly take that test if that is what the state boxing commission has regulated. They’ve repeated it over and over, Mayweather does not get to make up his own rules, and if he wants further blood tests, than he should present his request to them. That is the point! If he’s really trying to clean up boxing, bring before the commission, and have ALL fighters in EVERY fight take the test and make it a standard, not just for bouts he’s in.
PEDRO,
DON’T YOU THINK IT’S VERY WEIRD? IT IS MAYWEATHER who many boxing writers including PEDRO FERNANDEZ considered one of the best and yet when he kept on WINNING and beat people on the way to his UNDEFEATED record, he was not ACCUSED of PED. There WAS NOT A TALK of the possibility that he USES PED.
And now they are ganging up on Pacquiao. When Mayweather Sr. was humiliated by Pacman, the only excuses he could offer is to accuse poor Pacman of using PED. The only basis of all these accusation is that he keeps on winning.
And yes, like Peter, why do you say “You Pinoys?” I think your disgust to Pacman’s victories stems from the fact the you hate Pacnuts. Please, please, I am no Pacnuts, but you yourself blew this one up.
what makes you all think that pac is any more dangerous the shane mosely.. give me a freaking break.. mosley demolished margareto. A feat not many other could do.. loaded gloves or not, margareto had an iron clad chin, cotto couldnt hurt him or stun him, and cotto was one of the hardest hitting welterweights.. mosley destroyed him.. ya ok floyd is afraid of pac, give me a break.. At least floyd has the GUTS to fight a p4p 3 best in business, instead of a complete waste of a fighter named clotty.. Whos rank wasnt even in the top 10.. pffft..
you pac nuthuggers have to get off of his balls and bob arums.. As for the steroidsI, i dont believe pac is on roids, or peds.. I watched the clotty fight, and pac looked far from superhuman.. Clotty gave him a tonne of uppercuts, but clotty was just happy to go the distance instead of trying to win the fight..
worst ppv hbo fight i have seen.. I vowed to never watch a clotty fight again after the disgrace he did in march.. Even manny looked upset with him, when he double cuffed him on the ears as if to say, come on man, give the crowd something to watch here.. Bob arum is nothing but a greedy promoter thats the bottom line, instead of lining manny up with a worthy opponent, he went with his own fighters knowing full well it was a poor fight, so he could reap the benefits of both purses..
COUNT TWO: NEEDLES
if one that mayweather should be is flattered. because pacquiao considered him to be a great fighter which is why he doesn’t want to take any chances of having complication close to the fight from the unlimited blood testing. he is willing but for 3 testing only. he wants to come to fight 100% physically anf mentally prepared.
COUNT FOUR: PROOF
the only proof mayweathers is mayweather jr. himself. that’s what sr. use to turn jr. from 106 to 154. they never heard of hard work and dedication to attain something. just like what he did with marquez. he just paid him for the 2 lbs overweight penalty. which is why the $10m request pacquiao’s camp is made. to make him think twice before he cheats again the weight agreed upon.
Floyd is just asserting his arrogance with blood testing,if Pacman is using oral steroid or whatsoever substance then it can be detected on urine sample, if he thinks pacman is injecting it then look for the needle marks anytime he wishes.
What I can’t fathom is why people cannot believe this little Asian dude can casually walk away from $25mil, without losing any sleep. It actually bothers people that he did that, so much that they make themselves believe that maybe, the guy really is dirty. That he values his dignity more than the dough is downright inconceivable. And because he does that, then he’s a cheat?
You don’t accuse someone of a crime and then ask him to clear himself. The accused doesn’t have to do anything. It is the accuser who has the burden of proof.
Bias. I guess that’s what it all is.
I’ve watched Manny since he fought at 106 pounds, and watched Floyds’ career. The state of boxing is at its’ lowest point. You have the best two fighters in the world who can’t sign on the dotted line. Hearns fought Leonard and Hagler; Duran fought Leonard and Hagler. Robinson fought everybody; Ali did the same. I blame Bob Arum, because he knows his former fighter will expose his current one. Not only is he getting back at Floyd, but Oscar also. The truth lies between the lines of who runs the game. Arum orchestrated the Hagler, Hearns/ Leonard, Hearns, etc.
This is the same Arum who’s in the middle of all of this. I’ve been a fan all of my life, and now, I really don’t care who fights or wins. There is only one pound for pound champion, and he’s dead. When the UFC surpasses our pastime, blame it on the powers that be. Thanks, Bob…
there is no steroid that can not be detected in the urine and thats a fact. so i think the only problem now is detecting HGH. HGH can enhance your mass when your enhancing your mass you wil get bigger it means youll get slower and to enhance your speed and agility you need steroids in short if you are a boxer who needs mass speed agility you cant just take HGH you also need steroids unless you want to be sluggish in the fight. so if pacquiao is on HGH he must be on steroids too because just what david diaz said “he is fucking too fast man” , REMEMBER THAT STEROIDS ARE EASILY DETECTED IN THE URINE!, so pacman should have been caught long time ago if he really taking sterioids, but pacman is proven clean until now! Mayweathers and fans really think that pacquiao is on HGH, any floyd fan here who can tell in what fight did you noticed that pacquiao is on HGH and what made you think that his on HGH…do you know that pacquiao had a blood test the day before he fight eric morales the first time, unfortunately he loss that fight…were they successful detecting PEDs on pacquiao? ofcourse not, isnt that enough proof, because they were just so scared of pacquiao that they tend to hallucinate and do ridiculous things, and same thing is happening to the mayweathers right now they are SCARED! and please just try to accept the fact that pacquiao is a really gifted fighter he is a born puncher, pls watch chachai sasakul fight, pacquiao is just a puncher in that fight but now he is an amazing skilled puncher…pacquiao faught so many future hall of famer boxers, how about floyd mayweather he just continuing ducking the best welters out there, he is even willing to fight matthew hatton damn he loves fighting a bum! floyd said many times that he is not going to fight mosley because he is a PED user, why floyd is fighting mosley now, mosley is right that mayweather doesnt want the fight he was just cornered by the whole situation, mosley mayweather fight was forced by the god of boxing (pacquiao) hahahaha!…i pity juan manuel marquez and the mexicans, because b4 they fight mayweather was asked “why take on marquez he is not in your weight class he is a smaller fighter, there are so many very good welters out there, floy answered “this is business, marquez has a big mexican followers a country on his back, that would generate a big PPV sales”…now when he is interviewd floyd said “compare pacquiao marquez and floyd marquez which fight generated the bigger PPV sales huh!? thats me only, because marquez is fighting me, that is why it generated that big”…so floyd is saying that marquez did not help in PPV numbers, but before the fight he is saying that marquez can help because of his big mexican followers<—conflicting statements continues!…floyd mayweather doesnt want to give the credits to those who deserve it, floyd mayweather is a real asshole a racist! FLOYD MAYWEATHER THE P4P CHERRY PICKER AND DUCKER OF ALL TIME!!!! PLSS WATCH WHEN MAYWEATHER WAS CONFRONTED BY MOSLEY DURING HIS AFTER FIGHT INTERVIEW, HE IS STUTTERING AND LOOKS SO SCARED HAHAHAA!
Mr. Brian Gorman, I challenge you to present scientific proof of your verdict, not rumors and speculations. And I hope you publish my comments so that the truth may be known about this fake “Random Blood Testing” being peddled by biased writers.
This test is just a cover-up to save the face of Chicken Gayweather for being scared to fight Pacman and mosley is just playing along because he needed the money, HAHAHA this test is a joke
Let see from now on if all fight in Golden Boy Promotion will be tested by USADA or WADA
Pac fans are upset and with reason, their idol is being put down by allegations. LET’S LOOK AT THE FACTS: Pac had faced way better opposition than Mayweather had in the last 7 years; which brings the perception than Mayweather is only about more money for less risk. Pac also plays the game as well like invading a new division and making the champion to come down in weight(ODLH was 147 ten years ago and Cotto) Why Pac made Cotto to come down in weight(Cotto looked pale and weak at Vegas arrival)and not Clottey is beyond me. If Mayweather is all about money then why he is not willing to take a beating for 30 millions bucks? Again, Mayweather moral principles are money above everything so why now he is “avoiding Pac” in spite of getting a beating. You see Pac fans! You cannot have it both ways. If Mayeather is ALL about money; he would not care of taking a beating for 30 millions bucks, but Pac fans also say Mayweather doesn’t want to fight Pac because he is afraid. As much as I dislike Mayweather he did put pressure on Pac by agreeing to take the same blood tests, so this is even playing field folks. This is where Pac fans argue that Mayweather doesn’t make the rules. Well Pac fans! Pac also plays the game as well when is convenient to his advantage like a stated above. Which leaves 1 last question: Why somebody will refuse a possible 35 millions bucks payday just because a stupid test? I cannot believe Pac’s pride and ego would prevent him to take a test just because Mayweather is demanding it. This is not like: Ok Cotto you will come down in weight even thoug I am the one invading your division so we can have a fight on even terms! Folks this even playing field where both will be subject to the tests. Finally I think the tests are a good thing because the system in place now tells boxers in advance when they will be tested hence they can work around of it to avoid being cut cheating. The obvious and logic reasons are stated in fron of Pac fans and yet they will be blind due to Fanaticism. This refusal by team Pac only arises more questions and suspicions. Pac should do this: Agree to the tests, BEAT the crap of Mayweather, get paid 35 million bucks and become even bigger than Budha; a win win situation eh!
pedro says..listen to conte, a certified cheat..listen to paulie a cretified liar..listen to FM Sr. a certified drug dealer..listen to roger a cerified woman beater. listen to FMJ a certified ducker cherrypicker, gambler, and criminal(skating rink shooter).
I says..BOYCOTT MAYWEATHER FIGHTS, BOYCOTT THIS DUMMY SITE.
Just fight you guys. Mayweather has no right or posistion to order “his requested testing”. He is not, nor ever has been assigned to a commission regulating test requirements, so box and pipe down. I suspect Manny would win this fight, if he could catch Mayweather… I don’t mean with a punch, I mean really catch him, as in running and dancing all night.. Pac has fought the best, has Mayweather done that???
Hey pedro. Please answer this question fairly and with an open mind. You said some Drugs can be flushed out of your system with in 4 days. Mayweather asked for 14 days cut off date.My question is, Is there any difference if the cut off date of 14 days rather than 24 days? I mean seriously, if you think about it there is no diff. If Mayweather really wanted to fight Pacquiao he would’ve said YES to 24 days. That’s my take.
i wanna see these guys get in the ring with someone thats on drugs why not do it after fight ,have u ever seen fights get out of hand u can die in the ring or be damage goods for life listen to boxers that have taking to much ,if pac is clean who gives a s..t what may wants ,getting in the ring with some one who has a clear advantage puts ur life on line we are not playing baseball its u hit me i hit u dont talk if u never been in the ring and some boxers say if im may ill fight well go ahead and fight may is to smart for that dumass U CAN GET KILLED BEFORE THEY DO THE BLOOD TEST THEN WHAT I CANT STAND PEOPLE THAT DONT THINK OF ALL POSOBILITIES THINK .
You say there is no excuse not to agree to take a test 14 days out. Plenty of time to completely recover for the fight, right? OK, HOW ABOUT ALL OF THE RELENTLESS UNLIMITED RANDOM BLOOD TESTING THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO ALL DURING HIS TRAINING CAMP PRIOR TO THE 14 DAY CUT OFF DATE? How the hell is he supposed to train properly during that time? Aside from the fact that he should not have to demean himself and bow down and pay homage to Floyd, the face of boxing, I am sure he would otherwise have no problem with one single test 14 days out. It is the random and unlimited testing all during training that is the problem.
“At the end of the day, USADA has no jurisdiction,” Keith Kizer, executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, told The Associated Press. “Like any medical test, if a fighter wants to do anything more than what we require, more power to them.”
Kizer said fighters can petition the commission to change its drug testing protocol, and Arum was open to doing that in December, before negotiations for Pacquiao-Mayweather unraveled.
Schaefer took that option to Mayweather’s team, but Kizer said they never
“At the end of the day, this is about Pacquiao-Mayweather, and we’re not going to change our policies to help one fighter get a mind-game edge or another edge over another fighter,” Kizer said. “That being said, we have over the years revised and expanded our policy. We added steroid testing about nine years ago, out of competition testing a few years back.
“More drug testing is better, everyone would agree to that, but there is a limit.”
I agree with the verdict, as for Pedro I would like to see you push hard for olympic or whatever you feel is the best testing to keep a fighter safe,but the false assumptions do no good it is obvious you have few big egos in relation to the Mayweather and Pacquaio camps that prevented this fight from happening.
10 DAYS!
So, he wouldn’t take it to help the reputation of the sport that made him millions, won’t take the test to show he’s NOT a cheat, won’t take the test to shut up Floyd, he’ll only take the tests if the Commission says so.
Do you know friggen juvenile that sounds?
Victor Conte!
Pedro,
The NSAC already declared it was an issue to be “negotiated by the fighters”. All they care about is getting their “cut” of the fight. I’m glad the NY Commission is willing to take the lead though, they are exploring the issue of “Random” Olympic style testing now. They should take Dr. Goodman’s advice, as she has come up with a way to address most issues involved in implementing the tests.
http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/02/24/dr-magaret-goodmans-top-15-ways-to-improve-boxing/
DA SKERGE
Pedro, “to shut up Floyd” is not a good reason for Pac to do anything. Pac is the higher status guy here. Pac makes money and happiness for everybody. Floyd gets paid by his higher status opponents. Floyd alone cannot sell tickets. Floyd wants to watch Pac jump through hoops that Floyd sets up for him. Pac rightly balks at jumping through any hoops. If Floyd gets Pac to jump through one hoop, it will not “shut up Floyd.” Floyd will just set up another hoop. This is all about status. If there is to be more drug testing, it has to be across the board, for all fighters. It’s got to start with everybody. It can’t just be about Pac having to take a test that no one else takes because Floyd is wishfully trying to assert status that he doesn’t have.
Pedro your Column or Article is another Kangaroo court. No need this issue Manny is clean everywhere. Last Year September 2009 2 month before the fight Pacquiao-Cotto Mayweather Sr. Introduced Manny Pacquiao on PED.. So this issue very alarming. For example only ha.. if assuming Manny Use on Ped with this scandal Manny will stop on Ped drug. And Why Manny Pacquiao Won TKO over Miguel Cotto not using any drug, Ped etc.. before the fight..ulol. Still Manny Pacquiao the Greatest boxer of all time even without using any Ped drug still manny is phenomenal.. unbeatable..
Floyd gave him the ring size he wanted, the gloves he wanted and he would have to pay Pac 10 million dollars a pound for every pound he came in over 147, If Floyd can give him all that why not give in to his 1 request. It’s 2010 people PEDs/roids are everywhere. We all know that Floyds clean. For you people that don’t think there should be blood testing ur crazy….You can die in that ring and to add roids on top of it is all the worse…ALL PRO AND COLLEGE ATHELETES NEED TO BE TESTED…IDont know bout ya’ll but I would rather know that my hard earned money is not going to someone that is cheating. Drug users are the only people that want to know when the test is going to be issued,clean people don’t care.
Pedro,
Latest reports say Pac vs Clottey will likely be around 700,000 PPV buys, not very impressive for supposed “biggest draw”. I guess the Pac fans should try yet another argument.
SKERGE
B-Eazy,
Well stated!
SKERGE
You got it all wrong man! Pacquiao is not avoiding blood testing. He counter-offered having it up until 24 days before the fight and right after the fight itself. In fact, I have heard that his last offer was 20 days before the fight. Now, what can you find out in his blood that you cannot right after the fight?
Do you think Mayweather would draw 700,000 buys against Clottey? Hell no. The reason the fight drew that many people was because Manny is an action fighter and fans hoped he could impose his will on Clottey and take him out. If Floyd and Clottey fought it would not be in a 50,000 seat stadium and it would not pull 700,000 PPV buys. The reason is simple, styles make fights. Both Clottey and Floyd are counter punchers and are not exciting. To have a big pay per view draw you need several things: Two evenly matched top fighters, fighters that have some type of drawing power (like ethnicity), and good promotion. Floyd has been on the B side of every PPV he’s been in (Gatti – hell yeah; Gatti drew like crazy in AC and from the Northeast US, ODLH, Hatton, Marquez – the Mexican fans. Think about it, Manny is from a foreign country, can you imagine the live gate he could draw in the Philippines if he fought a top fighter there. People will pay for Manny despite the opponent because his style is more pleasing to the fans, plain and simple.
Keep on dreaming people, the megafight will never happen. If you wanna know the truth coming from Floyd himself youtube “jamie foxx with mayweather”.
SKERGE
Maybe pac’s team were offended by hatton’s fans b4 the fight back then.
And what about floyd, after pac vs clottey, he was saying pac is a one dimensional amateur, if thats what he sees in pac, fine. Of course, he was assuming that pac is on roids? Then w/ or w/out roids, he can easily beat pac, so why ask for a random drug test?
a fight against floyd will be just a walk in the park for manny
Mark, for the 4,000 time: EPO, Oral Steroids, they can be flushed from the system in as fast as four days.
Pedro:
What Mark is saying is that even if the steroids can be flushed from the system in four days, how is that going to help him if he gets tested right after the fight. I would assume steroid users would want the steroids in their system while they are participating in the fight to give them an advantage. So testing right after the fight would detect steroid use up to four days prior (assuming what you say is true). If it was flushed out prior to the fight how is that going to help in the ring?
Steroids allow you to train much harder, recover much faster, as does EPO. Random testing is what is needed. Announced dates for testing is simply ineffective.
Jrock,
Testing after the fight is no good, because the fighter will be dehydrated and that will effect the quality of the sample. What team Pac doesn’t want is RANDOM testing.
DA SKERGE
You said that Victor Conte said that no test necessary are required the last days before the fight, but thats the word of Victor Conte, what about the words of USADA? If USADA will perform the test, Victor Conte’s words means nothing. What if USADA decides to test Pacquiao before the fight or one day before the fight? Pac’s state of mind will be turned upside down. We will instead see a Wimpy Pacquiao rather than Popeye Pacquiao LOL. Because it all start in the mind, no matter how big you are or muscular you are, if you think your a wimp, your gonna be a wimp.. and dont tell me you didnt see this kind of person in your whole life. One thing is 100% sure, Mayweather and Pacquiao are two most competitive boxer who DONT WANT TO LOSE. Perhaps, Mayweather, after watching Pacquiao destroy Cotto, had seen the man who can beat him.. and can’t bear the thought of that. And perhaps, Pacquiao, thinking that USADA test will be bias and beneficial to Mayweather by making him weak, refused the test. Having tasted the pain of defeat, he vows never again to lose.
AS FAR AS FACT IS CONCERN…americans are the most rampant user in sports.. they say steroids are for CHEATERS!!!… hmmmm interesting
here is another FACT.. never did pacman said ..he was afraid of needles.. care to prove me wrong?? any links??!!! hahaha you cant provide it..
what pacman is saying all along… he will never be bullied by the mayweathers… what the western press doesnt understand is.. pacquiao has limited english, he cant express himself if given on the spot interviews.. this is why he just let frddie and his team to speak in his behalf
FACT.. pacman from ordinary to extra-ordinary!!!- floyd mayweather
the guy is worried… puckn P E R I O D.
floyd will file a partial disability should nevada bans xylocaine.
I’m so sick of this steroid crap. Even Floyd’s fans knows Floyd was just scared of losing and he knew Manny was too smart to give him both the psychological and industry power to dictate terms on boxing. Still to finally shut Floyd and his bunch up for good, I hope Manny decides to swallow his pride take ALL Floyd’s strawman tests, So when he comes up clean just as Floyd knows he already is and then beats the DAWG crap out of Floyd. Then I get to sit back and see what new and improved so-called “reasons” (more like BS EXCUSES) all Floyd’s “Phony Cronies” try to sell then?
that comment came from a guy named GAERLAN, i just want to know if what he said were true….. so feel free to react on it.
SKERGE, buddy ! i want your reaction on this…i got this from the other site.
It is clear that Olympic-style testing protocol is better than a single urine test done from the athletic commissions. However, there seems to be a big difference between what is planned for Mayweather and Mosley and what Olympic athletes are submitted to in their own discipline. My understanding is that Olympic athletes are followed all year long and tested at any moment for illegal drug, not just 6 weeks prior (and shortly after) a competition (or a fight). This is a big loophole in the current ’’game changing’’ approach from Mayweather. Both fighters have been training for months already and could easily have already benefited from PED and simply cycled off before formal testing begins (this is even a bigger loophole than Manny not wanting to be tested less than 2-3 weeks before the fight)…
And OBTW I don’t buy for a minute that Floyd cares about cleaning up boxing. That’s just cover for the fact that he only cares about hyping more pay from us suckers and for using every trick (even to the point of shamelessy and falsely sullying a peer’s hard earned accolades) just to stay undefeated. And all so he can continue to try and fool himself and us into believing he is the best. HAH!!! Just plain sad is what it is.
Money talks and BS walks… Usually, but in this case, Money walks because of the BS he insists on, concerning drug testing. If he is so sure he is the toughest fighter in his division, shouldn’t matter if Pac is on milk, buttered toast, ice tea, or simulac… Either fight him under the existing testing regulations or fight somebody other than him for far less green backs.. The CHAMP dictates who does what, when you want to fight him (unless it is ordered by the governing body as a manditory) but you still are under their existing drug testing rules, not ones you want to make up as you go along.. Nice bail out Mayweather, smart move..
Dencio,
Read this (down at the bottom): http://www.mannypacquiaovs.com/index.php/2009/05/manny-pacquiao-a-fighter-for-the-ages-by-thomas-hauser/
So, how is Pac humble? What do you want me to address specifically? Where did you get the article from? Again, the issue is random testing. I am not a PBF fan either.
DA SKERGE
Brave article Brian Gorman! Solid logic and unbiased. There is no excuse in not taking the test other than to hide the truth. Manny is worried about his legacy but he and Alex Ariza AND Freddie Roach are not comfortable letting him fight Floyd without using a PED. That’s the real reason. Guess what Pacquiao, Floyd is going to demand you take the test without any restrictions the next time you come to the table and he’ll be in the driver seat because his fight with Shane will do much bigger numbers than that joke of a fight in Texas! If Manny refuses then HE’S GUILTY and he go back to the Philipines and just keep lying to people. It will all come out eventually…
1.) Aaron Pryor cheated with PED’s against Alexis Arguello
2.) Nate Campbell cheated with EPO against Juan Diaz
3.) Shane Mosley cheated with EPO against Antonio Margarito
4.) Bernie Hopkins cheated with EPO when he fought Kelly Pavlik
5.) Shane Mosley cheated with Epo when he fought Fernando Vargas
6.) Evander Holyifeld cheated with Steroids when he fought Mike Tyson
7.) Shane Mosley cheated with Steroids when he fought DelaHoya.
8.) Frankie Randall cheated with Steroids when he fought Julio Cesar Chavez.
9.) Felix “Tito” Trinidad cheated with Illegal Handwrappings when he fought Ferndando Vargas.
10.) Joan Guzman cheated with “dirty fighting” (intentional fouling low blow, excessive holding, turning his back 90 degrees against Humberto Soto.
11.) Roy Jones Jr. cheated with Steroids when he fought John Ruiz
12.) James Toney cheated with Steroids when he fought
13.) Pacman has cheated in all of his fights in the last 8 years, by using all the PED’s available, and avoided detection.
Pac avoids detection of the illegally banned substance named E.P.O., cause E.P.O. can only be detected within 46 hrs. of its use with a certain blood test, which none of the boxing commissions do.
Pac has used all the available designer strains of steroids that his team Alex Ariza (a former worker for B.A.L.C.O.), Victot Conte and Roach only know.
Pedro,
This author made mention that even smallest blood drawn from his vein is enough to cause him cold sweats, dizziness and feinting (sign of phobia) just like Pacquiao. He claims though that with 14 days still ahead, Pacquiao has one more week to recover. This argument is fine if you are not fighting. One week of loss training near the fight is crucial and critical. It will lose his momentum and negate whatever physical and strenght conditioning achieved during training. Further how do we know Pacquiao can recover quick enough to be competitive in the ring. It doesn’t sound like level playing field to me. You should consult a psychiatrist with regard to your phobia so you will understand it more.
he also claims that if one stands to gain $25-$50 Million, that should be enough reason to proceed with the fight regardless. Hey, when your life is on the line, no amount of money can be enough reason neither can it compensate as we do not know what really occur atop the ring in its brutality. One good shot to the head can render a boxer incapacitated or worst, dead. Just like what happened to Z Gorres, a good Filipino boxer top rated contender. It’s not only about money, it is about. Your reasoning is premised on greed alone.
I believe Floyd is a great gifted boxer and I like him. He is an asset to the sport of boxing. Let’s try to be objective for balance.
SKERGE
“At any given time, 250 Filipinos are in school on scholarships paid for by Pacquiao. Each year on his birthday, he gives 100-pound sacks of rice, other food supplies, and money to people who line up outside his home. He recently donated three hundred hospital beds to charitable organizations.”
and also, if random testing is the issue, why only pac, i never heard u say that this boxer or that boxer should submit to random testing, why only pac?
BTW that was a long article….i think it was the people around pac, not himself who made life hard during negotiations…… and it wasnt pac who sang “ricky hattons falling down”
But tattoos are OK with him, hah? Come on, you simply can’t have it both ways. This is a bunch of bool spit!
Dencio,
Do you know what giving all that stuff to the poor in front of cameras looks like? It looks like someone running for office. People say negative things about Tyson, but he also gave to charity, but did it anonymously. That’s good he does that though, he should. Mosley and PBF are doing the random testing, and the NY Commission is looking into it too (or at least better testing methods). The article was long, that’s why I told you go look below. You think wrong though, this is from the article:
Pacquiao thrust his left hand into the air again and once again proclaimed, “BOOM! Good-bye.” Then he began singing to the tune of Winter Wonderland (known in boxing circles as Walking in a Hatton Wonderland).
There’s no more Ricky Hatton
No more
Ricky Hatton
A reporter from a Filipino radio station reached toward him with a tape recorder in hand. “No tape; please,” Manny told him. “Ricky Hatton is a good fighter and my friend. I only want to show respect to him.”
Did you catch that? “Then HE began singing”, who is HE? Why that’s the ever humble Manny Pacquiao!
“No more Ricky Hatton”, yeah, real humble.
DA SKERGE
Someone said, “thinking is just a rearrangement of one’s prejudices. This forum proves the validity of such statement. Whatever good comes out of this incessant clash of opinions, or should I more appropriately call biases, let is be so in the interest of the good of the sport.
SKERGE
It all happened just after the fight, they were celebrating and maybe pac was still in cloud 9, he may have said things that he didnt mean. But if u followed closely all his interviews b4 & after his fights, rarely does he insult or berate his opponents, he’ll just say that “i will do my best”. With regards to that filipino reporter, what i know is that pac has already signed an exclusive contract w/ a TV network, his fight & all his interviews included was to be exclusively aired by that TV network, i guess thats why he said “no tape”.
You see, Morales, Diaz, Valero have visited the Phils. all on pac’s invitation, if he is what u said he is, then u think those 3 would bother to accept his invitation? I heard even marquez was invited once.
SKERGE,
BTW, i got that article from “maxboxing.com” ….. as for the random blood testing, we are on the same boat, i want pac to test, just to shut up all those who accused him of roiding, especially the mayweathers & whenwewerekings, and i think the test will happen & so do the fight w/ PBF. I just hope that he will not come up w/ another excuse(s). I really like “debating” w/ u, unlike that WWWK, u were able to backed-up your valid points.
P.S.
Pac has been doing charity works even b4 he thought of entering politics, so its not just about politics….overall, he really is a nice guy
Dencio,
Yeah, that’s a lot of “Maybe” in there. Maybe, Pac is just playing a false image on TV, and the Real PAC is the one who does things when the camera is away. Maybe he said “No Tape” because he doesn’t want people to know how he really is. In fact, that’s exactly why he said it, remember this:
“No tape; please,” Manny told him. “Ricky Hatton is a good fighter and my friend. I only want to show respect to him.”
Yeah, show respect in front of the cameras, but when they are away it’s OK to make fun of his KO. Yeah, JMM did go, and he challenged Pac to a 3rd fight, and what happened? All Pac fans went crazy saying he disrespected Pac, why? Because he challenged Pac in his home town? Team Pac said they wouldn’t give him a rematch because of it, but JMM gets beat up by PBF and NOW they are saying JMM could be next opponent. Cherry picking, again. I like “debating” you too, even though we don’t always agree, we respect each other like true BOXING Fans should. Just 1 more thing I don’t agree with you though, Mosley will beat PBF, so the PBF Vs Pac will not happen. I agree that eventually all fighters will have to submit to some type of random testing. I also hope Pac really is what he says he is, it would be unfortunate if another “Hero” was found out to be a fraud.
Take care,
SKERGE
I liked reading this post a lot, so much that I wished it was longer. Very engaging writing style!
Fatija, please resubmit your post but NOT in all caps please. Thanks.
Mayweather is such a failure and a disgrace to the name of boxing. Kept ducking and finding excuses. Pacquiao agreed to unlimited urine tests, which is enough for WADA. And also, why wouldn’t he adhere to the post-fight blood test. That would solve everything. Manny agreed to it. So STFU you yellow-biased-no-good-so-called journalism. You’re not even exemplifying the epitaph of journalism. And also, please don’t this a verdict that took all sides. You are just as disdainful as Floyd as you give journalism a bad name. Hoping Mayweather got his senses back and adhere to fair fighting; he’s only seeing his own side, protecting what’s only left of him – his “undefeated” record full of cherry-picked enemies. At the least Pacquiao said he’d fight anybody. So please, just stop yourself from turning into a degenerated hater of fair play. That’s where I rest my case. If case be opened again, tell the judge to clear his glasses.
Pac only agreed to the tests when his ability to make $$$, endorsements and his legacy were about to go through the floor. Let’s remember that an adult 21 yr old Flyweight Pac(20 years and 10 months) was destroyed by a mediocre former minimum weight Thai fighter in Medgoen Singsurat who walked through Pac’s punches and KO’d him in 3 rounds. So a mediocre fighter 2 divisions smaller than you destroys you(as an adult) and then you in turn move up and destroy the world’s best and toughest fighters in the next 9 divisions bigger? Not to mention that he gained more than 33% of of his body weight in lean muscle(from 112 to 146) as an adult. That’s all physically impossible without PED’s. And to think Pac isn’t willing to prove he’s not on P.E.D.’s by taking a 10 second test but will suit you in a years long court battle to silence you if you accuse him like he’s doing to De La Hoya.
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