PACQUIAO TOPS WEEKEND RESULTS
March 14th, 2010 By Edwin Ayala
Saturday March 13, 2010
PACMAN DOESN’T LOSE 38 SECONDS IN 36 MINUTES!
Dallas, TX- Manny Pacquiao, 145.75, General Santos City, Philippines UD 12 Joshua Clottey, 147, Bronx, NY. (WBO 147 lb. title) ”The Event” turned out to be more of a sparring session for Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 KOs) as the defensive minded (that’s all he had in mind, defense) Clottey (35-4, 20 KOs) who offered little if any offense. New York Governor Patterson could have called this one a shutout 120-108, as did one judge while the other two agred at 119-109.
FIGHTS UNDERNEATH LACKED FIRE
Humberto Soto, 134.2, Tijuana, MX UD 12 David Diaz, 134, Chicago, IL. (vacant WBC 135 lb. title) Soto (51-7-2, 32 KOs) dropped the former titleholder Diaz (35-3-1, 17 KOs) in the first and twelfth rounds to easily get the nod by scores of 117-109 twice and 115-111.
CONTENDER STAR BEATS TIRED CASTILLO
Alfonso Gomez, 145, Los Angeles, CA TKO5 Jose Luis Castillo, 144, Mexicali, MX. Gomez (22-4-2, 11 KOs) makes the shopworn Castillo (60-10-1, 52 KOs) quit on his stool at the end of the fifth round.
DUDDY FAILS TTO IMPRESS AGAINST FODDER
John Duddy, 160, New York, NY SD 10 Michael Medina, 155.5, Monterrey, MX. In the opening PPV bout Duddy (29-1, 18 KOs) bored the audience in defeating Medina (23-2-2, 18 KOs) by a close margin. Scores 96-93 twice for Duddy and 96-93 in favor of Medina, who was deducted a point for a low blow in the eighth round.
Friday, March 12, 2010
FOX SPORTS WENT FRIDAY
Grapevine, TX- Richie Mepranum, 112.25, Maasim, Philippines UD 10 Tyson Marquez, 113.5, Sonora, MX. In a shocking upset the aggressive Marquez (27-1, 20 KOs) suffers his first defeat to the relatively unknown but slicker and more accurate Mepranum (17-2-1, 3 KOs). Scores read 99-91, 98-92, & 96-94.
PETER SMOKES OVERMATCHED (STIFF)
Samuel Peter, 237.5, Las Vegas, NV TKO 2 Nagy Aguilar, 230.5, Newburgh, NY Peter (34-3, 27 KOs) bludgeons Aguilar (15-3, 10 KOs) in two rounds. Time was 2:24.
Edwin Ayala
i think pacquiao should decide to finally bow down to gayweather’s demands..i know pacquiao is clean and that 14 days is enough for him to recover from any superstitous factor that he thinks could affect him..i think it is just the pride that keeps him from agreeing with all the unreasonable demands of gayweather. just drop the pride and leave it all to gayweather..and at fightnight, avenge all the accusations gayweather has thrown at you..it is still the fight everybody wants to see
Boring fight. Nobody looks good against Clottey. A “clinic” for Pacquiao, but I paid for a fight, not a clinic. I did appreciate that Pacquiao didn’t jump on a bicycle after the 8th round… Clottey did good by not providing any opportunities for Manny to show knockout power (i.e. Clottey didn’t “go for broke” after the 9th round). Clottey gets the prize for showing he wasn’t hurt at all in the fight.
This is the most punches the steroid taker have ever thrown. I did not see skills, I saw a faster, stronger puncher, just take advantage of an opponent who thinks boxing is blocking punches and taking punishment.
Pacquio is the new Paul Williams over 100 punches per rounds. The only difference is you can see Paul loses pop as the rounds go on. The “Juiced” Pacman throws all these punches and gets stronger as the round go on.
How can you throw non stop power shots for 12 rounds and get stronger as the rounds go on? Floyd should never fight this fool until he proves that he is clean by taking random tests. If he does that then why not fight Pacman, but if Pacman refuses there is no use..don’t fight him.
Everyday the Pacman and Roach sound more desperate, first time he calls Floyd out after a fight.
He should hope Mosley wins, because Mosley will fight him juiced or not juiced.
What was Clottey strategy in the fight? I would like to know. Why not clinch to slow the guy down, a little bit of holding..does Clottey know about a game plan to win a fight?
He was just an opponent glad to be there. I wouldn’t be surprised if Clottey bet on the Pacman….lol…
No matter what people say, I don’t think that Floyd should fight Pacroid unless he agrees to the full testing. I’m perfectly happy if Floyd never fights Manny. I got over it as soon as Pacroid wouldn’t agree to the testing up to 14 days before the fight.
What was called the event ended up being a travesty.. Both the sport and the fans lose on this one..only people grinning after this is pacquio,bob arum and ufc president dana white… It was a horrible nite of boxing from top to bottom…in a max crowed of 51,000 and in beautifull arena as the cowboy stadium, and charging $49.99 for ppv..bob arum continues to hurt the sport wit horrible undercards like this..and joshua clottey hurt the main event with his safety first defense..he should not be in a big fight ever again wit a performance like that…this is why ufc has taken over boxing for crap like this in boxing…all these promoters just care about money n not the integrity of the sport..their just killing whats left of this sport instead of reviving it..ufc has gone so main stream that u can see a ppv event everywhere now, hooters,applebees,local bars, movie theaters..while Boxing is sinking in the ocean…
Obviously, Clottey doesn’t want to suffer the same fate with the last four boxers Manny had fought. He knew that engaging Pacquiao toe to toe would be a big blunder and would mean visiting the canvas. Clottey fought not to win, but not to be knocked out. That’s the reason why he decided to hide deeper into his shell.
why do mma fans always compare and measure their sports against boxing?! do not concern yourselves w/ what’s going on in boxing. if your sport is having success, good for you guys. boxing will always maintain its fanbase and will always be here. those that tune out boxing and become mma fans were never boxing fans; they’re like the hollywood celebs who show up to the mega fights but have never watched tues or fri night fights.
@elloco, i agree with u 100%
the point u make about someone throwing punches throughout the fight with ever increasing intensity is suspicious. Even the great fighters like Ali, Ray Leaonard, Hagler used to lose some rounds and will rest in some rounds. This guy gets even stronger as fight goes on, thats defies logic and shows clearly that he is up to something. Look at all his fights with Delahoya, Cotto and Clottey, he is punching with intensity throughout, a high volume of punches. He is fighting welter weights, stronger guys and is walking through their punches.
The way Pacquio is treated by the commentators is equally bewildering. after the fight, he said Floyd has to drop his demands for the fight to go ahead.The commentators didn even challenge him on that. Surely Mayweather will be mad to fight this guy who is clearly cheating. It now makes sense why Pacroid has been avoiding Mosley he knows that if he juices up, Mosley will also juice up, and he doesnt want that. Thats why he is running away from Mosley. What a useless man, and he has the audacity to pray before the fight.
After watching Paquaio beat Clottey I think without hesitation he easily beats Mayweather. Mayweather will constantly be moving in his defensive shell pop shotting which you can’t win a fight when the other guy is chasing throwing 100 punches a round. I also think if Mayweather chooses to trade he’s done. The best action fight right now is Paquaio vs. Mosley. Mosley would bring it to him, has a hell of chin, and a lot of power. Hope Molsey takes care of business against Mayweather so we get a real fight against two true warriors willing to fight anybody at anytime, Mosley vs. Paquaio and I think that one is a toss up.
Oh..PED`s can make you Speedy,you Fools need to get a life. It is Pure Athleticism,Work Ethic,Hard Training,blessed with a big heart and with the Best Trainer is what made him. Some people are just so jealous and envious.
Pac shouldn’t give Mayweather another shot. Otherwise it would just be another BORING fight like this one. Floyd doesn’t deserve any money going into his pockets via Pacquiao because Floyd has no balls. Why not fight the SAME Pacquiao that all the others fought (the “mystery” Pacquiao)? Now THOSE guys have balls — Cotto, JMM, Barrera, Morales, Hatton, D. Diaz — even Clottey has more balls than Floyd. (Kudos to Clottey, btw, for being the only fighter in six years who hasn’t been hurt by Pacquaiao.) Why did Floyd NOT demand drug testing from Marquez? Here’s a guy who Floyd said beat Manny TWICE — if I were in Floyd’s shoes, I’d be MORE suspicious of a guy who beat Pacquiao TWICE and is jumping up TWO weight classes, than a guy who LOST to Marquez twice and is moving up only ONE weight class. Oh, it’s because Floyd has no class — and no balls.
The sport of boxing needs support from the masses — from the Average Joe and Jane who wouldn’t normally follow boxing. If you think Pacquiao is killing the sport of boxing, you are retarded — plain and simple (calm down, I’m not implying that D-nyce above said this, because it seems clear that the blame was not directed at Pacquiao himself). No one else at this point is bringing in fans from outside of boxing. Pacquiao gets coverage from Time Magazine, is named Fighter of the Year, Fighter of the Decade, Pound-4-Pound, etc. on most lists, etc. Where would boxing be in 2010 without Manny Pacquiao? Manny is by NO MEANS the “savior” of boxing, BUT without him boxing would be LESS popular in 2010 than it currently is. No one looks good against Clottey. Don’t tell me that Floyd against Clottey would be much more exciting than last night’s fight. I don’t think ANY boxing “outsider” blamed PACQUIAO for the boring fight last night. They certainly didn’t come to see Clottey — if they actually knew of Clottey they would have anticipated that they just possibly might be in for a boring fight. Pacquiao was there to FIGHT last night, and those who saw him fight knew it. Outside of Jose Luis Castillo, I don’t think the “event” last night necessarily hurt boxing. Yes, the “casual” boxing fan WILL be back to see PACQUIAO fight again — they’ll want to see him defy the odds against bigger opponents (and this is what Pacquiao brings to the table, and why Pacquiao is GOOD for boxing). They’ll just be a little more discerning about the next opponent he is up against. Everyone wants to know: WHEN will he bite off a bigger piece than he can chew?
btw – Please don’t bring up the ‘roids issue again — that’s been played (if you must, come up with real evidence at least at the level of Floyd and his Xylocaine). If Pacquiao truly had no talent and the NSAC tests are that easy to fool, why aren’t more people doing what Pacquiao has done? Think about it: These drug designers aren’t going to waste their time and effort on JUST Pacquiao. The US Census Bureau gives a figure of almost 8 billion people on the planet (http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html). Out of all the people in this world, they’re going to give up the money they can make selling it on the underground market just for ONE guy? Do you really believe Pacquiao is giving them a “set for life” salary to keep it only to himself? If so, you really must be retarded. Surely within 6-months to a year athletes would be at Manny Pacquiao’s heels doing historical things as he has!
It was really a Great fight indeed. Really a Great performance for Pilipino BUT we’ve seen the fight the Ghana figther has nothing to do but to HIDE and we can’t really blame the man. He is the one in the ring and he has his own plan and strategy even his coach told him to upload his punches but he just can’t since he knows very well the trade off if he do that…
The only fight that needs to be done is Bring Floyd and he is the only figther in this world that can possibly handle this Pilipino figther . Its very disapointing that no current figther that has the same caliber as this MAN right now except Floyd….Floyd please fight this man…
elloco, did u feel pac’s punches for u to say that he gets stronger as the rounds go on? i think the logical reason is, clottey made life easier for pac. Its not the juice man. Pac didnt even score a knock down, did he? And cheesy, Floyd himself said that pac is an easy fight for him even if pac is on “roids”, so i guess he should backed-up whatever he says, if not, he should shut his big mouth.
If there are still any states that license gay marriages, I suggest Clottey and Kevin Johnson should move there. They’d make a lovely lesbian couple.
OK so we’ve all seen Clottey often enough to know he’s a safety first bore, but this takes the cake. He embarassed himself and anything he might have wanted to represent on the world stage.
It’s not pleasant to insult the man when you’re not there in his place facing the punches. But then I doubt anyone put a gun to Clotteys head and forced him to sign a contract for $2.5 Mil to do something that’s aginst his religious convictions.
And this is comming from the guy who had the most generous scorecard on the planet Saturday night – I actually gave Clottey Rounds 3 & 11 plus an even 12th – I thought these rounds were not radically different from the Wright-Trinidad & Wright-Mosely rounds that everyone was giving to Winky. On the other hand I also gave Pacquiao a 10-8 round (forgot my scorecard in the car, I think it was the 8th).
Looking back, the night might have benefited form a stoppage in one of the rounds that had prolonged unanswered barrages and where Clottey scampered back to the ropes or corner not entirely of his own will. Or maybe a DQ for not competing?
They never replayed that very first right hook over the jab (rd.2 I think) to see if it hit anything but in retrospect that seemed to remove any vestage of balls that Clottey may have arrived with.
Pacquiao between rounds looked more tired and breathed a little harder than most recent fights. Unlike the Cotto bout he didn’t take any rest periods this time and maybe that work rate at this weight was a little more taxing?
Like the V.Klitscko-Johnson farce last December, it was a clear case of a rope-a-dope + lucky punch strategy, and just like Vitali, Pacquiao chose to take the bait, doing all the work just so the fans would have SOMETHING to look at. And just like KingPunk, Clottey didn’t have the will to try capitalizing on the tactical concession.
As for the undercard, you could call it a bitter disappointment, but really what could you hope for? Crappy undercards are almost the dtandard these days and any realist has almost given up excpecting any bang for the buck.
After all that #1tching about being avoided and not getting high-profile exposure, Mr.Soto had to do A LOT more than that tame and uninspiring effort against a shot Diaz.
In hindsight Soto is very lucky to have avoided actually facing valero for that belt otherwise he might still be under an oxygen mask today. Even luckier he never got that fight against Pacquiao that he clamoured for otherwise it would have been Humberto instead of Diaz trying to fight on those jelly legs… despite which Diaz was able to bully Soto throughout the middle rounds and make him miss repeatedly.
If this was really the best he could do in a fight that was ment to make him look good, he’d better take some souvvenir photos with that belt on while he still has it.
Anybody else sick of Jim Lampley bang bang bang bang..
Guy is full of himself.
I have always posted on this site about Manny being on somekind of Performance enhancers, while it may or may not be true (please take the test Manny and prove us doubters wrong); he did stick to the plan and beat clottey, props to him. As far as some people claiming that he did not want to be PBF’s bitch and adhere to his demands, let’s get the facts straight; PBF did agree to the outrageous demands of 10 million dollars over weight and ring & gloves demands. The fact that he agreed to the overweight clause is becuase he was confident that he was not going to have any weight issues; if Manny and his handlers are claiming that he is clean then take the test and hopefully won’t forfeit the biggest payday of Manny’s career
Once again I saved 50 bucks or so, but will spend ten times that cleaning up the mess from the recent Northeast rain storm.
I did hope Clottey would rise to the occasion and if not win, fight a decent fight. If he is dull, he is also a very tough kid who can fight and got the short end of the stick in his last bout. I imagined he might emerge as this decade’s Livingston Bramble type, tough and determined and deserving of the unexpected big payday.
Well, that’s boxing!
I really thought Clottey would have done more.
Sounds like the undercard sucked (again).
Another $50 saved buy not buying Pay-Per-Screw.
I’ll watch the sparring session on regular HBO this weekend.
Elloco, Dave, and all Floyd Fans,
You say Paquaio must be on something because he threw 100 punches per round and has stamina. Its funny because Floyd is also known for his training habits and stamina. Floyd never fades and always seems to get stronger as the fight goes on. Am I to assume that he’s on something? Paquaio has never tested negative for anything. This was purely a negotiating tactic that Mayweather used and blew up in his face. Now all of sudden he’s the poster boy for testing and making the sport better because he’s forced to be or else he’ll look like a moron. Do you think Floyd really cares about or anything besides Floyd Mayweather. What would give anybody the impression that he’s done anything throughout his career that wasn’t selfish. He hasn’t given the fans the fights they wanted since 2002 and he flaunts his shit around while we are in horrible economy and a lot of people are suffering. He doesn’t care about his fans just like he doesn’t care about the testing. He messed up what could have been a great fight between him and Paquaio and was forced into fighting Mosley. I’ll tell you what I’m 100% confident Paquaio is not on anything and would guarenteed beat Mayweather after what I saw against Clottey. I also think Mosley will beat him, but in the end I think Mosley takes both of them.
I un subscribe from HBO and now catch all PPV events at bar or live online streaming. I saw this one at a bar where people were very dissapointed with Clottey performance. The guy just covers up and take punches. I think he averaged 30 punches a round for this fight. In the final 3 rounds he made it a little tougher for pacman and landed a some shot here and there, but never follow up. I saw a beast in Pacman. I saw a small fighter who had the respect of a bigger opponent during the whole fight. Like Elloco says, that means Pacman kept his power during the whole fight or Clottey was simply just an opponent glad to be there for a big payday. I am glad I don’t pay $15 a month for HBO. I got youtube and live streaming and bar for big PPV fights. HBO has become a joke. I love the annoucer on livestreaming usually from England. Pacman won 11 rounds maybe all 12.
I have never seen him throw so many punches and keep that pop for the whole fight. This is not a natural welter and when you go up in weight, you lose speed and power. He has to take random test if he wants to fight Floyd.
One think I should point out is that as scary as it sounds, the Pacman looked in better shape when he fought Cotto. Either he’s on something or he is a beast. I would take what he is on anytime. Anyone who does sport know that as you age is harder to train and harder to retain the strenght of your prime years, Pacman has all this distractions and gets better. He should prove he is clean.
Ungh. I had it in my head the fight would turn out the way it did. But I never imagined Clottey would clam up to the extent he did.
Man, I just don’t understand when so much could come from winning why a man can’t go for broke. If 99.9% of the time in a Pac-Clottey fight, Clottey going for broke ends-up with Clottey knocked out, that’s still a 1-in-1,000 chance at unimaginable glory when continuing to fight the way he was is a 100% chance of losing.
Josh could sure use an injection of “Diego C” fighting spirit.
BANG!! Try & stop it. BANG! U wanna throw back? BANG! BANG!! BANG!!! Come on. BANG! BANG!! BANG!!! BANG!!! What a despicable display of hbo cheerleading!! But it was funny as f— too!!!
many people are blaming Clottey for covering up, but what did u expect him to do. he was fighting someone who wasnt tiring and actually getting stronger. he has to be commended for finishing the fight.
its not easy fighting someone who is on steroids. which explains why athletes on steroids always winning the races, u cant compete with their endurance and muscles. i think one of the fighters fighting Pacquio will die one of these days. this guy shouldnt fight anyone until he is tested.
To the Pac fans who say he fears God, Take it
Pacquiao victory eclipsed by Krista Ranillo ‘affair’
SOPHIA DEDACE, GMANews.TV
11/19/2009 | 02:25 PM
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Filipino boxing icon Manny Pacquiao may have defeated Puerto Rican Miguel Cotto last Saturday, but his stunning victory was quickly eclipsed by rumors of his alleged love affair with young starlet Krista Ranillo.
Pacquiao: From belt magnet to controversy magnet
The undeniable strength of sports superstar Manny Pacquiao – the world’s greatest pound-for-pound boxer – has not only transformed him into a title belt magnet but a controversy magnet as well.
At the height of a full-blown promotional campaign by Solar Sports and GMA Network for his fight with British Ricky “The Hitman” Hatton, Pacquiao shocked Filipinos when he suddenly appeared in an ABS-CBN report announcing that he would be jumping the fence.
WHO’S THAT GIRL? Pacquiao sent tongues wagging after he appeared in a photo showing him dancing with a ‘mysterious’ woman. GMANews.TV
It turned out that Pacquiao had apparently mulled reuniting with ABS-CBN and decided to tape the video message announcing it, but told the network not to show it without his go signal.
However, complications arose when ABS-CBN, as the boxer claimed, released the video without authorization. The giant network belied Pacquiao’s claim.
After discussing with his lawyers and officials from Top Rank – the show’s promoter – Pacquiao decided to stay with Solar Sports. The historic 359-second bout with Hatton was shown at GMA.
Affair with Ara?
Manny had been embroiled in other intrigues, long before the purported “network rift.”
Perhaps, making one of the biggest splashes was the boxer’s rumored affair with sexy actress Ara Mina.
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Only days after the historic win, the pair has been under increasing scrutiny in news headlines, showbiz columns, and especially in cyberspace.
The rumors were heightened when video footage showed the pound-for-pound king’s wife, Jinkee Pacquiao, shedding tears while the couple was attending a Thanksgiving Mass last Sunday.
In the clip, Jinkee is seen breaking into sobs after healing priest Fr. Joey Faller said in his homily, “We can only hurt those people whom we love so much, our husband, our wife … give us the peace we need at this point.” She turned away from her husband when he attempted to console her, and instead sought comfort from a friend standing next to her.
Did Jinkee cry because of the boxing champ’s supposed philandering ways? Pacquiao does not think so. “Naiyak lang, pero okay naman,” Pacquiao told GMA News reporter Mariz Umali.
Pacquiao had kept mum on the issue, saying only “no comment” to those who have been asking him about the real score between him and Krista, his co-star in their upcoming film “Wapakman.”
But on Wednesday, Krista finally broke her silence.
“Yeah, heard about it (rumors) already … we’re still discussing when and how to speak,” Krista wrote during an Internet chat with GMA News entertainment reporter Nelson Canlas. In his report, Canlas quoted Krista as saying that she is not pregnant.
Meanwhile, her manager Arnold Vegafria said their camp would confront the matter when they return to the Philippines. “I’m now in Paris and Krista is now in the United States. But we spoke kanina and we’ll talk about how we’re going to handle all these allegations sa kanya. So when I get back, we’ll hold a presscon para to answer all the allegations sa kanya na mga negative,” Vegafria said
Why is everyone bashing Clottey for? The man did what he typically does in all of his fights, throw about 35 punches/rd (33 in this fight). The HBO crew calling him scared was messed up. Did they think he was suddenly going to throw 80 or even 60 punches/round? Pac is still vulnerable to a straight right, man if Clottey would have thrown a hook behind it… But again, that’s Clottey for you. Clottey impressed with his footwork (the lead foot thing). Why do Pac and Co. continue to run from Mosley? Notice they call out PBF and not the winner of the May 1 fight.
Jamie, I think Lampley is full of Pac. He definitely revealed his man crush.
DA SKERGE
Pac!!! Wow! He used to be just a nature boy with incredible power lurching all around the ring and winging shots. Now he’s learning the sweet science and becoming more skillful in every fight. He is an inspiration to anyone who tries to learn something new after the age of 20!
lampley is just biased for the house fighters. he doesn’t try to hide it. he actually roots for the hbo fighters. he is no longer acting professional behind the mic. why is merchant out but kellerman works PPV telecasts? isn’t kellerman on boxing after dark? why does he get to work PPV also? HBO announce team needs work.
Bashing clottey because you’d think in the biggest opportunity of his career, where he has a natural size advantage much greater than what he had against Cotto, he’d wise up and put more effort into showing the fighting spirit to win.
Some fighters have it in them to rise to the occasion. some just don’t. Apparently Clottey doesn’t no matter what sort of opportunity you give him.
Think of Douglas and Tyson – why should have Douglas been satisfied with just lasting a few rounds against Tyson? No, he had a chance and he rose to it.
i smell something rotten. i will never buy another pacquio fight again. from what ive been reading, some boxing writers and fans hinted that clottey took a dive. they also said that when clottey let his hands go he actually hurt pacquio. ive seen the post fight pictures of pacquio and he looked like he been in a fight. clottey was probably instructed by arum himself to only fight in spurts, and cut him a side deal. nothing strange that happens with pacquio and arum surprise me anymore.
I think CLOTTEY TRAINED HARD not to win the fight but NOT to LOSE the fight by KO. Like everybody says, his strategy was just to defend and defend. He’s too scared go for attack lest he open himself for Pacman’s assault—a sure way to get his ass KOed. In the end, he opted to play it safe—bagged the sweet $1.2 million dollars and walked away scotch-free, with a delusion of pride.
SKERGE: He called out both Mosley and Mayweather. You’re wrong.
Pac did what he had to do to win the fight. You have to throw punches at Clottey or he will walk you down and make you fight at his pace. If you throw punches at Clottey he will do exactly what he did, cover up. Therefore Manny did what he had to do to win the fight. The people who say Manny got stronger as the rounds went on are nuts. He was breathing hard as hell at the end of the fourth round. Most of the punches he threw were thrown just to connect, not to knock Clottey out. Activity is the key to beating Clottey. I don’t understand how people make such assumptions that Manny is on drugs. Did you notice that he only weighed 145 1/2 for the fight, Manny’s best weight is probably 140 where he will be more powerful while retaining his speed, he’s not a true welter. A man is innocent until proven guilty, just give him his props as the best P4P fighter in the game today. Manny pushes himself by fighting bigger and tougher opponents, that’s all. He doesn’t duck and dodge people and make crazy excuses why he can’t fight this person. Mayweather better worry about Shane because I personally don’t think he’s going to win that fight unless Shane gets old overnight on May 1st. Shane has all the tools to make Floyd fight and that’s when he’s going to get caught and broken down. No other fighter at welter has made Floyd engage and throw punches, but Shane will. If Floyd elects to pot shot (like he always does) with a lead right or left hook, he will lose by a decision; If he gets into a firefight he will get stopped. All you Floyd fans need to stop worrying about Manny, and brace yourselves for Shane. Manny vs Mosley late in 2010 for all the marbles!
I watched the “fight” at a friend’s house and this PPV card was garbage from top to bottom. Clottey refused to fight and acted like a sparring partner. And Bob Arum screwed the fans with a horrible undercard. This is how you kill what’s left of boxing. At least with MMA they give you a stacked undercard with good fights.
Pac and Co. call out PBF and not the winner of the May 1st fight because I think Mosley is where Pac bites off a piece bigger than he can chew. However, there is no shame in that. Manny never said he could beat EVERY boxer out there (he did say he was WILLING to fight anybody — meaning anyone his trainer thought he would be able to adequately prepare for). It’s exciting enough that Manny is willing to take risks by fighting guys bigger than himself. Name how many current fighters have done this on a regular basis. What Pacquiao does is GREAT for boxing, so don’t bash the man. Some of you are so threatened by the fact that Manny has continually beat his larger opponents that all of a sudden it’s “Well, he can’t beat so-and-so, and, he can’t beat this-and-that.” Have you no appreciation for what he does for boxing? Steroids or not, would YOU fight guys bigger than you on a regular basis? Can’t you respect what he does, which is to give us his 100% in every fight he takes? I’d like to see all you haters take steroids and fight a contender bigger than you. If you haven’t got the balls to do it WITH drug assistance, then you shouldn’t talk. It’s funny how people criticize, and hold people to a standard they themselves wouldn’t follow if in that situation. No one is REQUIRING Pacquiao to fight bigger guys, but he has the balls to do it. So relax and enjoy, and cut the hate! You’ll never see another one like him in your lifetime — consider yourself blessed to be living in an era when this man fought!
Thank you leftjab! couldn’t have been said any better! Look at Pac after Cotto and people overlook the fact of how busted up he was, broken up ear drum and all. Look how few hits it took Clottey to mess him up as well. People don’t stop to realize, this man is taking on men that are BIGGER than him physically, thus they do a LOT of damage with then hit the smaller man! The heart that people love Diego Corrales for, Pac has it. Just like Frazier, the Marqueze’s, Vazquez, etc., guys that are willing to go out on thier shield in a fight. And no ammount of Steriod or whatever the f*** is going to “enhance” that aspect of a fighter.
Excellent point, Techie! If you didn’t see the fight but you saw them afterward, you would have thought Manny got his ass kicked by Clottey. Manny’s punches weren’t having near the same effect as Clottey’s because he was the smaller guy. I don’t blame Manny for not calling out Sugar Shane, and in fact I don’t WANT him to because I think Manny will lose. But there’s no shame in that! I’m SICK of people saying Pac fought a shot dela Hoya. Does anyone in their right mind actually BELIEVE that Manny could beat ODLH in his prime? Hell no! Roach waited until Oscar’s skills had eroded enough to make an EVEN fight. We just didn’t know at the time that Manny was that GOOD, and that in fact it would turn out to be “not so even.” We know this is true because 90% of YOU said that Manny was crazy. EVERYONE knew that Oscar was on the decline, especially after the Stevie Forbes fight. BUT STILL, even with this knowledge, people said Manny had to be FULL of himself and was going to get his ass kicked. And I can’t blame people for saying that — why? Because Pac has BALLS and is willing to fight bigger guys — if his trainer says he can do it (talk about trust!)! Yes, say he’s crazy and must be full of himself, but don’t hate on him when you are proven wrong (and that’s probably why some hate him so much — because people just can’t stand being found wrong). So don’t try to discredit him (especially without PROOF) — he’s got guts and is willing to do something you and most professional contenders are afraid to do. He can’t help it if he’s small. He can’t help it if he’s that good. He can’t help it if he expected an even fight but ended up giving the other guy an ass-whupping. He’s just going out there doing what he was made to do. Just enjoy it — he said himself he’s giving his fans what they want (and if you want him to take a drug test but you’re NOT one of his fans, he owes you NOTHING — the only thing he owes the boxing world and the general public is to follow the established rules of the game). If you’re not a Pacquiao fan and you refuse to enjoy it — well that’s YOUR problem. So don’t go whining in this forum.
Left jab,
Then maybe Pac and Co. should admit that he’s not like Armstrong or Duran. They should stop calling him P4P then. Many fighters move up and fight bigger fighters on a regular basis. They just aren’t fortunate enough to hand pick their opposition. It’s great for boxing that he fights old, past prime fighters and KO’s them? Or guys with limited skill? I hear Pac fans saying that about Valero. Yes, I have fought guys bigger than me on a regular basis. I don’t respect a fighter who calls himself P4P and handpicks his opposition, even if he gives 100%. 100% over a guy who has no chance means little. Pick someone who has a chance at beating you. Pac and Co. moved up for money, like other fighters do. They did it to avoid fighters who Roach described as “Too much risk, not enough reward.” I’m not wrong either. Look at his comp. and when he fought them. I know many a boxing writer praises him for “saving” the sport, because he brings in “his” fans, and they are afraid boxing will give even more ground to MMA, but when you get shitty fights like the last few he’s been in you have to wake up. You know how many times a fighter was described as “You’ll never see another one like him in your lifetime”? How long have you been a BOXING fan, because I’ve already seen a few.
DA SKERGE
Techie, (how cute)
Have you ever heard the phrase “styles make fights”? It’s just like when Roy Jones moved up to Heavy and beat Ruiz, sure he got some praise, but his detractors said, “Ruiz was made for him, he’s not the champ unless he fights…” Jones moved up 2 weight classes too. Did you defend him? Jones went up 40 lbs his career, Pac has done about the same, who’s the better fighter? How do you rate them against each other? Corrales didn’t say he was the best and then hide from certain fighters either.
DA SKERGE
Left Jab,
That’s my point. Don’t say you’re the best and not call someone out because you think you’ll lose, it means you’re not the best then. How does that help boxing? How is it good for boxing when one guy is afraid to fight another, but they are fighting in the same weight class? Thanks for admitting DLH was past prime. That fight did not prove how good Pac was, it proved how shot DLH was, and that he was dehydrated and needed an I.V. right before the fight. Didn’t you watch countdown to Hatton/Pac? So, rephrase your statement, “Pac and Co. have balls (when they think they can beat a bigger guy).” There, now you sound like you are finally admitting the truth. How do you know what I or other professional contenders are afraid to do? Who shouldn’t be talking now? I’m a boxing fan, he owes all BOXING fans everything, not just his fans. Who is putting themselves before the sport now? This forum is for Boxing fans, it would be wise to remember that.
DA SKERGE
Ironhammer,
Lampley has been doing that for years (rooting for the house fighter).
SKERGE
Warren,
My point exactly. Why bash Clottey for doing what he always does? You fooled youself (or were fooled by Arum) thinking this “fight”, would live up to being an “Event”.
DA SKERGE
SKERGE,
Listen to yourself, you sound like an idiot. Who takes on a fight when they don’t think they have a chance of winning? Obviously you, you’ve been hit so damn much you’re retarded. Who’s the best P4P then? The biggest, heaviest, strongest guy with the biggest chin (even with no speed and no defense)? You think you know boxing, but it’s quite obvious here that you have no idea what P4P means. Go ahead SKERGE, keep fighting bigger, stronger, faster guys (in fact, take on a Klitscho or two) because you think you think you’ll LOSE, and keep getting your ass kicked (and getting more retarded) — it’s great for boxing!
Skerge: How do you not see similarities in Pacquiao and Corrales regarding ring heart? And I know styles make fights…50 have failed against pacquiao. Are you actually insinuating pac has only fought one style of fighter? to those people u say pac has ducked…where are they now and how relevant are they today?
SKERGE, yep. Lampley’s bias is nothing new. I will never forget Lampley’s calls during the Oscar fights.
Techs,
Corrales fought all when they were still good. He beat Garcia (undefeated champ), Brown, Gainer, Juuko, Manfredy, and PBF in 13 months. All top guys, no Larios(small), Solis(Green), or D.Diaz(tomato can) in between. Diego fought Casa 3 times. Pac and Roach avoided him. Frietas(undefeated puncher) and Castillo when he was prime. Then jumped 2 weights n fought Clottey comming off close fight with 1 of top WW at time Margacheato, n Diego never made rediculous demands like $10 mill/lb. Your “50 failed” vs Pac sounds like PBF fans when they say 40 have tried…and remember, 3 have succeeded including a washed up Morales. Pac’s a fraud like the other former Arum boy PBF. Pac is more like PBF, picking opponents. Some that Pac and Co. ducked are still around, some are done. Fact is, Pac avoided them when should’ve fought ‘em. They took tougher fights, Pac fought David Diaz or Larios (KO’d and moving up 2 divisions). Pedro already reported Pac and Co. don’t fight African Americans (though Pedro used black). Pac’s old promoter said the same thing, and kept Pac away for a reason, he’d lose. Read:
http://fighthype.com/pages/content7017.html
DA SKERGE
Ironhammer,
I think Lampley cried when DLH was KO’d by B-hop. I can’t believe Harold had DLH up on the cards until DLH was KO’d. I guess old Love dies hard.
SKERGE
Leftjab,
How old are you? You sound like you’re in HS, or younger. So taking fights you know you’ll win makes you the best? Sounds like you’re proving PBF’s case then. It’s obvious you don’t know what P4P means, it means you challenge yourself. Like Mosley did when he fought 2 guys with styles that he has problems with. He didn’t make lame excuses. I can’t wait for Pac to leave boxing, so you can follow him in his next career. Make sure you get you parents permission before you reply.
DA SKERGE
Haven’t I stated time & again that Pac will not fight a slick fighter “who fights black?”
SKERGE (cute, by the way),
Actually, I’m 44 (turning 45 this summer), Class of ‘83. How old are you? 20s? 30s? I grew up watching Danny “Little Red” Lopez in the early to mid 70s. Do you even know who that is? Probably not, since he retired before you could even walk.
You’re supposed to know boxing? “100% over a guy who has no chance means little.” Look at the names Pac’s fought since Ledwaba — are you freakin’ serious? I suppose you knew ALL ALONG that Pacquiao would blowout all those guys because you know your boxing so much (though I would venture to guess that you probably got less that 25% of Pac’s fights correctly picked since Ledwaba). SKERGE, if you know so much why aren’t you a big Bert Sugar historian or Jim Lampley announcer? People have been complaining about Lampley and company lately, so here’s your chance to take advantage of the opportunity. If you’re the boxing person you make yourself out to be, put your money where your mouth is and quit your day job. I’ll see you on the TV screen. After all, you supposedly pick better than all those who are regarded as boxing experts, and they all gave Pacquiao’s opponents at least a “Buster Douglas” chance (actually, they gave his opponents a hell of a better chance than Buster). Have you seen Pacquiao’s last five fights? The way you talk it sounds to me that you haven’t seen ANY of them — after all who would WASTE their time watching a blowout fight since, as you said, they have ZERO chance? Admit that you watched them, because you KNEW they all had a good chance (and you were even rooting them on).
“How is it good for boxing when one guy is afraid to fight another, but they are fighting in the same weight class?”
Believe it or not, there’s actually a difference between “weight” and “weight class“, but I’m not sure you have the capacity to comprehend this. Regarding WEIGHT, Pac and Mosley may both weigh 147 at the “official” weigh-in. But those of us who were blessed with higher reasoning skills know that it is quite misleading to EQUATE the two (if you’re having difficulty following, try to think outside the box). Pac and Shane are truly NOT in the same WEIGHT CLASS. Shane is NATURALLY bigger than Manny (I shouldn’t have to explain this to you, but I’ll give you a hint: Look at how much a fighter weighs on FIGHT NIGHT. When one fighter is still at or under the limit, and the other is significantly above the official limit, they’re NOT in the same weight class). If Pac doesn’t call out Shane, there’s no shame in that. Pacquiao is NOT the welterweight champion, nor is he the BEST welterweight out there. He DOES hold a welterweight belt, which he fought for and legitimately won, but it’s one of many belts. See if this makes sense: Pacquiao fights SOME welterweights, but he is not a TRUE welterweight. Yes, his trainer arranges the ones he believes Manny can handle. BUT at the same time, his opponents — plus MILLIONS of others — believe THEY are able to handle Manny. Don’t tell me that ODLH truly believe he couldn’t handle Manny, that’s insulting. As if the Golden Boy himself was REALLY willing to end his boxing legacy taking a fight which he — and everyone — knew he had ZERO chance of winning. Sorry, but that’s not the Golden Boy’s M.O. It’s always been a two-way street, where Pac’s opponents have had a good chance. For a smaller guy to engage in these situations is admirable because it does take risk and heart, and you can’t take that away from Manny. You’re saying all these opponents were shot, but hindsight is 20-20 and you’re not convincing. Be honest, you thought some of these guys — even a shot dela Hoya — could handle Manny, as did I. And it wasn’t necessarily that dela Hoya was so shot — I see it more as preparation. Oscar underestimated Pacquiao and didn’t take training as seriously as he should have. Otherwise he would have been much better prepared, and wouldn’t have been in a position where he needed to resort to using an I.V. before the fight. That’s not Manny’s fault — dela Hoya should have prepared better.
So what does this prove, if proof shows that Pacquiao is NOT the best welterweight out there? This my friend, is where P4P comes in. P4P doesn’t mean you can beat ANYBODY out there. To expect a strawweight to combat a cruiserweight (not even to win, but just FIGHT) is unreasonable and downright absurd (that’s why weight divisions were implemented). But given their offensive and defensive skills, their speed, conditioning, heart, and RELATIVE strength and chin, IF (big IF) they were to be EQUIVALENT in size (mythically, of course), who would be the best? Unless you are able to grasp this concept, SKERGE, you will not be able to appreciate what Pacquiao has done. I don’t think people are way off base if Pacquiao is at or near the top of their list (I have Pac, JMM, and Floyd at the top of my list). Who is your top 3 P4P, SKERGE? Don’t be afraid to say, it’s just a MYTHICAL weight class, and it’s all good.
“Many fighters move up and fight bigger fighters on a regular basis.”
Now that we have cleared up “weight” vs. “weight class,” tell me which fighters out there today regularly come up at about the “official” weight on fight night, but fight opponents who end up significantly heavier on fight night. This type of weight disparity on a regular basis? Show me the facts, and I’ll be convinced by your statement that “many fighters aren’t afraid to take this kind of risk.” I’m a man; I’ll stand to be corrected and publicly admit it on this forum — you just provide me EVIDENCE on this.
“Don’t say you’re the best and not call someone out because you think you’ll lose, it means you’re not the best then.”
Manny never said he was the best. People say he’s the best, and they have sufficient evidence to base their opinion. Best P4P does not mean you can beat everyone, it means you would be able to beat everyone IF mythically size were equivalent. “How does that help boxing?” Because the fight can go either way, and it makes things interesting and exciting. Both fighters have advantages and disadvantages directly and indirectly related to the size difference, and both have a chance (whether you want to believe that or not — but nothing you’ve said thus far convinces us that your knowledge is better than anyone else’s). Cotto took his loss like a MAN, with NO EXCUSES, but Pac haters need an excuse. It would be wise for you to take Cotto’s example.
SKERGE: When I say 50 have tried and 50 have failed, i was referring to various STYLES. It is OBVIOUS to me that Pac has fought VARIOUS STYLES, as has Mayweather. I’m just going to have to disagree with you, and stay awed at the awesome run Pacquiao has been in. Taking on Barerra (Top 3 p4p on most list at the time), Marquez (both Erik Morales and Barrera did NOT want a part of at the time, and then Morales is top comp. if you were to ask me. When I refer to RING HEART, it has to do with how a fighter behaves and whether or not they wilt in the heat of combat. Pacquiao DOES have the same type of RING HEART as Chico Corrales once in battle, and there are A LOT OF PEOPLE that love Pac for that. I’ll agree to disagree on that one. Pac is wrapping up his career and I’m sure would be willing to take on the winner of Mosley/Mayweather. Roach says he’d rather they fight Valero rather than Margacheato (I wholeheartedly agree! Cheato does NOT deserve the biggest fight in boxing IMO it at this point).
Left Jab,
(sorry Pedro)
Lopez retired in ’80, and I am 10 yrs your junior, so wrong again. Yeah, I see the names but remember, Pac looked ordinary vs Sanchez, good vs Julio, didn’t see his next 2 in Philippines, saw the Lucero fight live was somewhat impressed, MAB was 14 years into his career & coming off 2 wars w/ Erik (among others, I knew Pac had a good chance at winning MAB too many WARS), JMM was likely the less worn of the 3 Mexs (though older), 3K was a “B” type, Morales (12 yrs into career) coming off 3 fights w/ MAB and many WARS (and Pac Lost), Hector V (Worn), Morales (more worn w/ weight issues), Larios moved up 2 weights and coming off a KO, Morales more worn and drained, green Solis, older & worn MAB, JMM again, tomato can D. Diaz, drained DLH (DLH’s fault though), highly over-rated Hatton, a beat up & maybe drained Cotto, and Clottey a fighter who throws 35 punches/rd. Did 4get anyone? I don’t see why you’re so impressed. BTW, I’ve called many of those fights, and the ones I didn’t I thought would be closer. Historians examine the past, announcers (HBO’s anyway) are glorified cheerleaders (BANG! BANG!) I’m more of an analyst. Quit my job for what? Are you going to pay me? I watched Pac’s last 5 fights, because I watch BOXING, as much and as often as I can. Weight and weight class, I know there’s a difference so draining your comp. is ok then? They don’t always provide same day weights though, so your point is difficult to prove, but I guess Pac weighing more than Larios was ok though, right? At least be consistent. I knew DLH believed he could handle Pac, and to be honest I thought he was too big also, but…
When he showed up with a black eye (from a smaller fighter Ortiz or Valero depends who you believe), I knew Pac had a chance. When they said he weighed in at 145, I knew Pac had a damn good chance. I admit it’s DLH’s fault, but be realistic about the win. In true context, it’s not that big a deal beating a drained guy. I agree with your assertion of P4P, the thing is we can’t really determine how good Pac is because team Pac is very selective of their opposition. Why not Raheem after 2nd Erik fight? Why skip Casa or J. Diaz? Those fights could and should have been made and had no obstacles in the way. My top 2 are Mosley& B-Hop, I’m not decided on anyone after that. I don’t really think about it to be honest. “Many fighters move up and fight bigger fighters on a regular basis.” That would take many hours. I would have to go back and compile official weights vs day of weight, but it has been done by guys like Joey Gamache (fought Gatti who out weighed him by 20), Roy Jones, Duran, and how about Billy Conn. Are you up to the task of disproving me? I have enough evidence to prove Pac is not the best P4P, because he and his team avoid certain fighters and certain types of fighters. That is a fact. The fights Pac has been in can go either way, because the other guy has a punchers chance, maybe (be honest). That is not exciting. Why should I take Cotto’s example? Can’t I take Pac’s and blame blood and needles? Or how about the blister on my foot, or the type of boxing glove? At least I’m being honest and consistent. I put all fighters under a microscope, and you should too.
DA SKERGE (I know I’m cute)
Tech,
Pac hasn’t fought various styles. Pedro has written many an article on it. Based on his list of competition, you are exaggerating by saying that. The 3 Mexs were top guys, but most “Boxing” people knew their time was coming to an end. Read my post above to put into perspective. We can disagree on the Pac/Chico thing. I give Chico more credit though, because he didn’t pick in choose his comp the way Pac does. I agree Valero more deserving than Cheato, but at this point even that fight is a wash, unless Pac goes down to 135. If Pac is going to drop to 140 it should be vs. the winner of Bradley and Alexander. Roach said they need to make more of a name for themselves. What? At this point both of them have had more TV time than Valero. Roach does not want to face either of those guys. He already admitted it with Bradley. I’m sure watching how Devon handled Urango, and being that Devon is taller, fast and can crack had something to do with it as well. Sadly, Top Rank and Team Pac will convince Pac’s followers that whomever they chose next is indeed worthy, and get you to shell out $50 for PPV. Stop drinking the Kool-aid.
DA SKERGE
Skerge: I like Bhop and he’s a damn good fighter but tell me, what do u think were his biggest wins? i know he ruled the middleweight div. during his reign but remember, trinidad moved up as oscar did to fight him. So did Kelly Pavlik. One can argue he was on the losing end of a bad dec. with j. taylor and that he got a gift dec. against winky…point is, EVERY fighters resume can be scrutinized. remeber, pac began at 106 at 16!
SkERGE: I’ll keep drinking my drink and you keep on microscutinizing fighters’ resume…Keep in mind if you do that, some of the fighters you like (including bhop and mosley) start to look not so great!
I’ll agree with you on pac taking on bradley over valero, but for me, I’d rather see valero over alexander…and i’d hope those fights happen at 140…but first and foremost i hope pac gets it on with the winner of mosley/mayweather
Skerge: By the way, why don’t you ask some “Boxing” people, starting with Pedro whom he thought would win the SECOND Pac/Morales.
SKERGIE (da cutie),
Ten years my junior, that makes you 34. Wow, I’m impressed! I would have thought 20 or 21. Let me guess…Special Ed, right? I remember my dad and I taking the two-hour drive each way to Olympic Auditorium to see Little Red Lopez fight throughout the early and mid-70s. At 10 years my junior, you wouldn’t have remembered him since he retired in 1980 — about the time you were finally potty trained.
Joey Gamache? Duran? Billy Conn the Pittsburgh Kid? This is the “many” you were talking about? Any from this millennium other than RJJ? I asked, “Tell me which fighters out there today regularly come up at about the “official” weight on fight night, but fight opponents who end up significantly heavier on fight night.” I said TODAY, this lifetime; all you gave was RJJ, another one who is all but retired now. Everything you presented above is only speculation, and is a matter of opinion (like RJJ being on that list as “regularly” — big question mark — Isn’t he the Roy who fought Tito Trinidad a few fights ago?).
Those who know me personally will affirm that Mosley is my all-time favorite fighter (aside from Little Red Lopez), but if he and Pacquiao were the same size I believe Pacquiao takes him. Just my opinion, but I won’t bash you for having Mosley on your P4P list. There’s sufficient evidence for you to base your opinion. I’ve been a big fan of Mosley (the one with 5 losses) waaay before he was in the spotlight, and he remains my favorite fighter today because he had the heart to fight both Viper and Winky back-to-back. And ALTHOUGH Sugar Shane is my favorite, I DON’T name him P4P king. A fighter doesn’t have to be my favorite (nor do I even have to like him) in order for me to award him the P4P crown. You might not like FMJ (personally, I can’t stand the man), but still I place him high on my P4P list. I won’t discredit him entirely (like some out there) just because I don’t like him (he’s a damn good fighter), but at the same time I won’t give him all the credit HE claims he deserves, because frankly in my opinion I don’t believe all that credit is due. I’m not going to cite fight-by-fight (as you did above) because it’s all a matter of opinion (i.e. a matter of interpretation of what you see in a particular fight) and you know, as well as I, that we’ll get nowhere. And some people won’t agree to disagree, they see only in black-and-white. Those of us who were blessed with higher-level reasoning skills understand that it’s more about shades of gray. From everything I’ve seen you write, you are out to discredit Pacquiao in his entirety as you haven’t had a positive thing to say about him. You claim you can’t even find excitement in his fights. You SAY you put all fighters under a microscope, but the problem is that you’re not using the same microscope — you’re reserving the high-powered microscope for the asian Pacquiao.
So are you gonna’ quit your day job now? Yes, I’ll pay you — through HBO PPV. Lampley makes a hell of a salary (BANG-BANG!). I’m rather tired of him these days, and I don’t have many positive things to say about “analyst” Max Kellerman, so I’d like to see a change. We’ll see DA “Boxing Analyst” SKERGE on the TV screen and see what he’s made of. I’ll give you a chance — you’ve got to be at least better than Frances “Fight Chick” Martel… It will be interesting to watch a commentator who finds Pacquiao’s fights boring (take your medication, you must not have a pulse). If it’s a Pacquiao fight I’ll be paying for it — and your salary — because I find most of Pac’s fights exciting (and Pac weighing more than Larios is OK — if it is OK with Larios. More power to Larios to accept the challenge against a bigger man. So Pac’s been on both sides.). So if you’re that well-versed as an analyst, JUST DO IT! Or not. If you are this unhappy with the sport and you actually can’t find ANY excitement in a Pacquiao fight, I think maybe it’s time you settle into a different sport, one more exciting like, say, golf. Or maybe curling could be your thing?
Leftjab,
You start w/ insults and insinuate that I’m childish. Way to prove age has nothing to do w/ maturity. Who was significantly heavier than Pac on fight night? All of Pac’s comp have come in within 10 lbs on fight night, and that is a fact. The only one we don’t know about is Clottey becuase they didn’t way in the day of the fight. You mean to tell me Larios came in over Pac when he moved up 2 divisons? I think Pac even weighed more than DLH on fight night. I give Shane much respect because he fought guys HE KNEW had difficult styles for him. I believe, with evidence provided by Roach and Arum’s remarks that Pac does not do the same. The same goes for Floyd. Are you insinuating that my criticism of Pac is racial? That is low. If I am a racist, I hate everyone equally. I do hold everyone under the same microscope. I did for Leonard, DLH, PBF, Hatton, Cotto, and Pac. Did I leave any racial group out? Notice that most of these guys were thrusted into stardom by Arum? Arum is the reincarnation of P.T. Barnum, with the same belief that everyone is a “sucker”. Pac’s fights are boring because they are predictable. He’ll who doesn’t like to watch a KO? I just prefer it when I don’t know who is the more likely to do so. So, you’re going to put in a good word at HBO for me? I have to tell you they don’t like me very much, because I criticize their fight selection. I am banned from their boxing site. If I ever leave boxing as my favorite sport, it will be for MMA, not enough contact in the “sports” you listed. I think you have anger issues, and using “Special Ed” as an insult is not very PC. I think you’re prejudiced against the disabled.
DA SKERGE
a.k.a. The Cute One
Ouch!
You can dish it out, but you can’t take it?!? I suppose you didn’t start out by insulting my age. If you can’t handle the heat, get out the kitchen!
P.S. – Sorry I hurt your feelings, SKERGIE
Techs,
B-hops big wins were Mercado (for title), Jackson, Glen Johnson (32 fights, but could be considered green, although B-Hop had no amatuer experience and came closest to beating a prime Jones Jr), Echols (big puncher), Holmes, I thought he beat Taylor both times, Tarver(B-Hop moves up 2 divisions, no catchweight either), and I thought he beat Calzaghe. There are not many BIG names, besides guys who moved up, but B-Hop cleaned out 160 and jumped 2 Div. with no catchweight or $10 milion/lb penalties. Sre Pac has names, but when did he fight them in their careers. Again, the 3 Mexs (esp. MAB and Erik were at end) and I went through the rest of his competition already. Look, he did what a young guy’s supposed to which is beat the old lions, but then what did he do? Did he give any young(er, than him) lion a chance? Hell no? And not if they were A.American either. Why Valero at 140 he hasn’t even fought there, and why not Devon (a young lion) especially if he beats Bradley if they fight (close to being made)? I’d even rather see Pac vs. Maidana over Valero at 140. For Pac Vs. Erik 2, the Mexican press was saying that Erik was having weight issues, and if you remember Erik wanted the 3rd fight at 135. Vs Clottey Pac showed that he can be hit w/ a straight rt, we know he can by a good lft hooker, and all you have to do is keep your lft foot outside his rt foot. That is the one thing Clottey said he would do and he did. No wonder Team Pac avoids certain fighters.
DA SKERGE
Leftjab,
If you read through the posts, you begin with the insults by calling me an idiot and retarded. Look at your post: leftjab on March 16th, 2010 at 4:33 P
Only after that, I ask you how old you are. Again, you prove age has nothing to do with maturity. I can take your best dish, laugh, and then make you look foolish. it’s not difficult. You can’t hurt my feelings either. I see you can’t debate like an adult though, and avoid true boxing topics. What’s next, threats of violence?
DA SKERGE
Now you’re being all holier-than-thou on me? And what’s with the “Well he started it first” stuff? What is this, first grade? Real mature. You did it too but it’s OK as long as someone else does it first. And that makes you better than me. I commend you for that nice double-standard. As a fan of boxing I can find enjoyment from almost all aspects of the game, but I don’t enjoy the bashing of Pacquiao by Mayweather & Co. when Pac is clearly good for the sport (Mayweather being good for the sport is open for discussion). I will speak out against it because Pacquiao is influential in a positive way that reaches past boxing, and while not perfect he is as good a role model for our youth as any boxer out there. He shows respect to his opponents and displays humility in victory, two things society is short on these days. But some people are just so sour in life that they are unhappy with just about everything. If something doesn’t agree with them they take miniscule things and amplify them out of proportion, and use it as justification for their disagreement. They scrutinize all of Pacquiao’s actions, and when they find something wrong (nobody’s perfect) they use it to disqualify all of the positive things Pac brings to the table, as if that negates everything else he has done. Black-and-white, not shades of gray. Simple-minded thinking. There always seems to be ONE person that we all know who can’t seem to be happy with anything. Everyone knows one of them, maybe two. The only moments they seem to be happy are when someone is in total agreement with them about something, otherwise they are always complaining about something. If your aim is to make me look foolish, you need to get a life. As for who makes who look foolish, I’ll leave that for the readers to decide.
Skerge: Bernard Hopkins is overrated. Glen Johnson? Like you said, he was green at the time. Johnson’s biggest wins were at 175 and Bhop ducked that rematch like he ducked Chad Dawson and chose to fight Roy Jones. The old man friggin lost to Jermain taylor twice! Who did taylor beat after that? hokins got beat by Calzaghe and made the middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik move up in weight like he did with Oskie and trinidad. He even strugled recently against tomato can Eric ornellas. He clearly lost and was lucky to get a gift decision agsinst Winky Wright whose biggest wins were at Jr. middleweight etc. etc…
That’s what happens when you microscrutinize a figthers resume. Believe me, I’ve seen it done to many fighters and I simply DON’T BUY IT. Pac has his sights set on the winner of Mosley/Mayweather…Hopefully if that fight happes, it will dispell that scrutiny that Pac avoids facing fighters whom fight “black”.
Leftjab,
Where do you get holier than thou from? Look, first you start, I call you on it, now you’re trying to flip the script, typical bully. I don’t have a double standard, you insulted me, and I questioned your maturity. If you were offended, oh well. Go ahead and enjoy the “game”, and I am not a PBF fan. I merely question team Pac’s selection of opponents, as I did with Leonard, DLH, Hatton, Cotto,… If you believe Pac is a good role model, more power to you, but I have read enough to form my opinion, and I can’t say I agree. Read how he mocked Hatton in his dressing room after his win.
http://www.mannypacquiaovs.com/index.php/2009/05/manny-pacquiao-a-fighter-for-the-ages-by-thomas-hauser/
You’re right, no one is perfect, but don’t try and sell oranges when they really are lemons. I don’t need to make you look foolish, you do a good job yourself. Good Luck!
DA SKERGE
Tech,
I’ll play your game. When B-Hop fought Glen, Hop had 34 fights to Glens 32. Hop had no amateur career either. Hop has been wanting a rematch w/ Jones for years and is over 40, let him have his revenge. He faced young lions already (Dawson comment), and won and lost (no shame). When he moved up to 175, he took on the best at the time in Tarver. Taylor was beat up and exposed as a fighter during and after the B-Hop fights. Hop proved that had he been 5 yrs younger, Calzaghe wouldn’t have made it out the 1st round. Pavlik and Arum decided to move up and roll the dice and they crapped out (no one gave Hop a chance). You thought Winky won? Are you serious?
There, we can have a serious boxing discussion with no insults, and where we can agree to disagree. It’s obvious that when “fans” discuss boxing, they take things way too serious.
I hope Pac does fight the winner, and I hope he gives a young lion a chance too. One that has a legit chance at winning too, not Valero moving up again, or JMM at a higher weight, I’d really like him to fight Maidana or Alexander at 140. Why don’t you want him to fight Devon?
DA SKERGE
SKURGE,
If you want to live in your own fantasy world, that’s fine with me. As for who ends up looking foolish here, as before, I’ll let the readers decide. If you’re as confident as you make yourself out to be, that should be good enough for you.
Skerge: See that’s the thing, I DON’T think that winky won. But believe me, i’ve seen people tear down Hopkins’ record like I did above. It’s hard to argue that Winky was at an optimum weight, but hot damn, why can’t people just give him credit for the win? Hasn’t Hopkins already proven himself? Like I said, Hopkins is a damn good fighter and one of my favorites. I was trying to make the point that ANY fighters resume can be microscrutinized and made to look bad without giving any credit whatsoever to what the fighter has accomplished..I’ve seen plenty of people do it before, and personally, I think people are out of line when they do so. But, whatever, that’s what were all here for, aside from boxing news, are to put forth opinions.
Regarding taking on a young lion,Pac is now that lion that has gotten older, and all sights are set on him. See, the way I see it, Pac took on a more dangerous foe when he took on Hatton, rather than a young Juan Diaz or humberto Soto. Even after his loss, Hatton pummled Paulie (I dont care what people say, paulie is a damn good fighter and takes on everybody) who was a top jr. welter at the time, before hatton got creamed by Pac. the young lion you refer to (Alexander), just barely got propled upwards in ranking for his biggest win, over Juan Urango. Yeah, the guy that Hatton had done smoked already. So, when people give no credit to Pac’s win over hatton, i just roll my eyes like when hopkins gets no credit for his winky wright win or kelly pavlik win.
Regarding Pac taking Alexander, i think maidana should get the shot before Devon and i actually pick Valero before alexander just for the plane reason is I think it could potentially be a foty candidate based on styles. But if pac fights at 140, anything less than bradley would be uncivilized…
Techs,
You’re a cool guy (I mean it), and I understand what you are saying about people tearing down a fighter, but again, that’s how you know who really knows what they are talking about. Let’s call it separating the cheerleaders from Boxing Fans. Like I said, I can agree to disagree and respect the opinions of others, but just like in life you have to look at the context of when a fighter fought another fighter. Again, did Pac clear a division of all talent young and old, and move up and take on the best? Did he fight “young lions”? He cleared the old lions at 126, and moved up to clear the old lion again (Erik) at 130, didn’t move up and beat the best at 135 or 140 as Hatton had gave up his belt (unless you count the IBO as a belt now). I was never big on Hatton anyway, I believe he was overrated himself. The foul fest vs Tszyu, his horrible performance vs Lazcano, he mauled and held, and got away with it (he should have lost the Lazcano fight). It wasn’t until he was fighting Pac that people finally “discovered” it (much the Cotto became a dirty fighter who throws low, though he did so in many of his high profile fights.) Paulie is a descent fighter, but lacks pop, imagine if he had and he fought hatton, he would have been able to keep him off, but remember that Hatton took a beating from that ring post after the PBF hook, plus Hatton’s defense is his chin. Hatton fought Paulie before Pac. Urango had only 18 fight when he fought Hatton, and his biggest accomplishment was a Draw v Mike Arnaoutis. I didn’t think Hatton would beat Pac, but I’ll admit I thought he’d put up a better fight w/ Floyd Sr., but Hatton abandoned defense again. If Hatton would have taken on any of the young lions, he wouldn’t have been around for Pac, he rolled the dice and tried to cash in before he was “discovered” for being overrated. That’s how I see it. I agree on Bradley at 140, the only way Devon or Maidana should jump Bradley is if they beat him first. Too bad Khan won’t give Maidana his fair shot though.
SKERGE
Skerge: “Again, did Pac clear a division of all talent young and old, and move up and take on the best?”
I don’t neessarily agree that he had to prove he’s a great fighter. It was obvious he was taking on top comp. when he faced Barerra, Marquez, Morales. After moving up in weight and beating David Diaz, Pac did what most prizefighters do at that stage in thier career and look for big money fights. He went after De la Hoya. If you really want to put it in context, it is a FACT that Pac was heavily the underdog in that fight. But regardless, it was the biggest money fight in boxing. He then took on Hatton, another big money fight. His latter part of career is wrapping up, and who would’ve guessed that he’s actually in the running for helping clear out the welterweight division (one of the deepest divs. currently)
When I judge a fighter, just like you, I always put it into context of when they fought. And I’m sure most “boxing” people that have him Fighter of the Decade do as well. For me, I believe that pac takes on top competition. That’s all that I expect from any boxer.
Skerge: “You’re a cool guy (I mean it), ”
Thanks bro., for keepin it cool, regardless if we agree or not..
Thank you
Meant to say “I don’t necessarily agree that he had to, to prove he’s a great fighter (clear out a division.)