Comments on: PACQUIAO-CLOTTEY: WHAT A WIN MEANS, AND HOW TO GET IT!

By: Rob

Rob — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:44:33 +0000

I have to say, Jim Lampley is getting WAY to embarrassing. This guy has been great for HBO Boxing. But, over the past few years, his “fan-standing” is getting way too obvious and a bit too much for me personally. He’s in awe of why Clottey didn’t open up? I mean…really? Everyone could see why Clottey wasn’t opening up. Too much coming at him. “Bang..bang…bang”? What the hell was that? I found myself commentating myself as if I were Jim Lampley rooting for Clottey: “All these punches. Over one hundred punches thrown a round! are you kidding me..you STILL can’t knock the man out! This shows such endurance and poise of Clottey to stand there and just block 70% of manny’s punches. Is Manny losing it Emmanuel?”… sheesh. Time for something fresh!

By: Da UnKnown Comic

Da UnKnown Comic — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:13:20 +0000

BANG!! Try & stop it. BANG! U wanna throw back? BANG! BANG!! BANG!!! Come on. BANG! BANG!! BANG!!! BANG!!! What a despicable display of hbo cheerleading!! But it was funny as f— too!!!

By: Gary G

Gary G — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:23:07 +0000

I don’t understand it, but I see it all the time in boxing:

A fighter in the fight of his life (Clottey), does nothing. Round after round. Does nothing. Why?

By: Ten Count

Ten Count — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:02:50 +0000

By the way, Clottey’s size might be a big factor, but not neccessarily in his favour.

Clottey’s late round difficulties could be mental. But maybe they are the product of weight loss? It’s been reported that Clottey wears a very fit 160 in the gym. He has a small waist and apparently a genetic gift for cutting weight (although if his name was Pacquiao SOME people would speculate he’s making weight with chemical help…).

But has he gone to 147 a few times to many? Is that why he feels the need to be so conservative with his energy output? The drop-off in the Margarito fight was worse than with Guttierez, and the passivity vs. Cotto was worse than with Margarito (having in mind how little was coming back). He punished but didn’t put away Judah or the shot Corrales (Zab remained in the fight scoring wise although he was mostly got the worst of it damage wise).

If the true cause of this is physical, it’s only going to get worse with time & age.

By: Don Juan Dinero

Don Juan Dinero — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:51:28 +0000

Clottey CANNOT and WILL not win. Even if he does win for some bizarre and strange reason, he will get a big money fight, but he WILL never be a star.

When Pac wins, he will be holding all the cards again, and if he wins impressivly he will be the king at the table. I see him struggling with Clottey. In fact I can see him realizing its a tough fight, and then deciding to coast to a victory as he wins on output alone. Saving his fight for another day.

By: Ten Count

Ten Count — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:12:56 +0000

I don’t agree that Clottey has the wrong style or technical equipment to win the fight. On the contrary, of all fighters Pacquiao has faced since Marquez, Clottey is most capable of simulating Marquez timely step to the left and quick, straigh punches from a tight defense which sometimes picked off Pacquiao’s dart-ins or caught him napping defensively. Clottey’s not as fast as Pacquiao, but he’s quicker than Hatton or Cotto, in a quiet, non-flashy way.

Clottey’s biggest problem is not his style or skill set. It’s his temperament, his obsession with economy and safety. He is not special enough to win the big fights despite this handicap – not without some help, like a major cut or the other guy having a major off night.

By the way I thought Clottey beat Cotto clearly – not resoundingly or impressively, but clearly. But even then, the fight badly exposed his problem of not knowing how to win.

Maybe this time Clottey will realize how lucky he is to get a third shot at greatness despite his boring style and his unsatisfactory effort in the championship rounds vs. Margarito & Cotto. But odds are against it. Low output. cover up & counter type of guys rarely change, they just keep complaining about not getting close decisions.

Obviously I’m going to pick Pacquiao by UD. In the first place Manny has done more than enough lately to earn the benefit of the doubt. Plus it’s never logical to pick a very good fighter over a special one without some very compelling reason to do so. I can see reasons why Clottey could be the toughest fight of Manny’s adult career, maybe even pulling out a win – but there is a gap between what Clottey COULD do and what his track record suggests he WILL do – which is just enough to lose.

By: 1200 Techs

1200 Techs — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:28:55 +0000

Good article! I liked how you broke down what a win and loss would do for each fighter. I definitely agree with your insight on that. On this fight, I’m a big fan of both fighters, so I’m left with the feeling that unfortunately, one of them has to lose. On another note, I remember not to long ago, fans were salivating over a proposed mosley/clottey fight. I remember many fans seeing it as an even money fight. That obviously has to do with the fact Clottey, at any given time, would be a tough test for ANYONE at welters, and IMO, has never been truly beaten down convincingly. Nobody should be overlooking Clottey. After Cotto/Clottey fought, I thought Clottey was more dangerous than Cotto and Pac caught a lucky break not having to face Clottey, due to Clottey’s defense and resilience. Pac has shown that he has problems against good counterpunchers and good defense. Clottey possesses both skills. If he can withstand Pac’s onslaught (arguably the best offense in boxing), he might be able to impose his size and strength over Pacquiao. Regardless, i just can’t imagine this being a blow out like some are predicting. I believe that this one goes the distance and Pac might have another disputed decision on his hand in which fans are left wanting more!

By: ANTONIO

ANTONIO — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:44:50 +0000

very good article. the article is a good take on how clottey or pac can win. keep up the good work and please don’t fall into the garbage the others have been recently writing.

By: Danial Possick

Danial Possick — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:42:38 +0000

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By: Jack Freney

Jack Freney — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:33:57 +0000

Good article, the popular consensus, but with added insight. It made me think about the reaction from fans and detractors that believe he is taking steroids, if he wins this fight (which he should). I can hear it now. The win had nothing to do with his high skill level, his top trainer, his excellent strength trainer/ nutritionist, his heart, drive and tenacity, it can only be credited to the use of PED’s!! It’s almost a no win situation for him. Very similar to Lance Armstrong.
Oh no, another can of worms!!
Just an FYI for the weight gain theorists: A male, 5′6″ tall, medium build, the weight range is 139 lbs.- 151 lbs. Pacquiao weighed in at 145 3/4 lbs. Nothing unusal about that? If you believe Freddie and Alex,(which I do), he has a hard time maintaining that much weight. They aren’t giving him enough steroids I guess?

By: SKERGE

SKERGE — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:14:02 +0000

I mean Asian.

SKERGE

By: SKERGE

SKERGE — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:12:52 +0000

Brian,

The Asain papers are reporting that Clottey is overweight and will have to cut weight, any truth to that?

SKERGE