FLOYD SIGNS FOR MOSLEY & SHUTS PACNUTS UP!
February 3rd, 2010 By Pedro Fernandez
San Francisco, CA- There have been hundreds of whining posts from fans of Manny Pacquiao trying to throw trash at Floyd Mayweather. “He hasn’t signed the contract, he’s scared, etc.” Well Pacnuts, you can all STF up now that Floyd has inked a pact to fight Shane Mosley on May 1 in Las Vegas. And after my reading an interview with a USADA rep, he put it like this. “Floyd wanted to do the Olympic style testing, while the other party (see Pac) wanted no part of it.” Regardless, the fight is on and Manny Pacquiao is fighting a guy in Joshua Clottey for roughly 10% of what a Mayweather bout might have delivered. All because he won’t do the testing that Mosley, an acknowledged steroid and EPO user, has agreed to.
Pedro Fernandez
Pedro you’re wrong. They won’t STFU. Now Sugar Shane will become over the hill, too old, past his prime, etc…
Well, facts are facts. mosley agreed to something that is very simple. Floyd has signed. Make Pac look even more suspicious that mosley of all people agreed to this.
Whoa, Put up or shut up says Pedro. Right on! Way to go for PBF and Mosley to bring legit PED testing to boxing. I have Mosley by TKO 9 or 10.
DA SKERGE
10 % of what he would’ve earned against Mayweather? That’s exaggerated Pedro. Pac is about to earn at least 10mil for this fight. You mean to say he would’ve earned 100 mil against Floyd? It just shows how clouded your opinions are about the two fighters. Totally biased. Hey Pedro if Pacnuts are aggravating you well please don’t put the blame on Manny. he hasn’t done anything to you but proved you wrong over and over again.
I am so excited. Mosley can do it if he throws with combos and uses his power by walking Mayweather backwards. He can’t let Mayweather get confident by working at a slow pace. This is extra legacy career greatness. Both are hall of fame either way but this is Leonard Hearns stuff with Hearns getting redemption. Mosley is tougher and hungry very scary to all fighters besides Paul Williams. Speed single shots is Mayweather but fluid quick burst go to Shane. I am a die hard fan and would love nothing more than to see Sugar win this mega fight.
Yahoo !!Finally he signed. Now we got to see 2 good fights and match ups at WW. I just hope Floyd does not pull one of those “Rib injury” Bs. Hey Pedro i didn’t know Pacquiao was supposed to make a 100mil for the mayweather fight. roughly 10%??Cmon man!
He could have made $60 million. He is fighting Clottey for $6 million. That’s 10% genius!
according to other sources he will earn 8 figures on this fight. maybe the 6mil is the guaranteed purse excluding the PPV buys
All you Mayweather haters can finally shut your mouths. Pacquiao is very suspicious now, especially since Kermit Cintron, Paullie Magallani, and Nate Campbell all agreed to take blood tests if they faced Floyd. Now Mosley is going to take blood tests and this makes Pacquiao look very stupid.
Same thought with archie… But not a rib injury, Floyd is too smart to point out another other problem aside from rib injury…believe me, this fight wont happen.
pac and mayweather wouldn’t earn 60 mil each if the fight did go through. they were only offered a guarantee of 25 mil each and i don’t believe they’ll get more than 15 mil as their share in PPV and other proceeds. You don’t compare 6 mil (let’s say its the guarantee) against a bloated amount of 60 million. That’s exaggeration…. Though I totally agree with Pedro that Pac would’ve earn more in fighting Mayweather but I understand Pac’s walking away for a mega pay day (40mil) for principle. You don’t force a guy to prove that he’s innocent without a single evidence. Comparing PAC to other suspected steroid users such as roger clemens and mark mgwire is apples and oranges. the aforementioned baseball players were pointed by their ex trainers and team mates. In pac’s case it was drug ex con FLoyd senior who just accused the former by just pure assumption. I would say that things that come out to Senior’s mouth should not be taken seriously because the guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about and as if there’s still credibility even a little that is left with him, he’s a drug ex con for christ sake! The accusations from team mayweather stained Pac’s image bigtime and they should be held liable and I have this strong feeling that they’ll be convicted for defamation which means cha chinggg for PAC. the burden of proof is on the Mayweather side. And believe me I’m from the Philippines Pac is already raking it bigtime in US dollars from advertisements and multiple businesses here. My point he’ll earn that 40mil sometime ahead even w/o fighting mayweather. Heck he is about to build his own 18 hole golf course.
It’s awfully quiet in here pedro. Not much trash talk from the pac wagon in response to this.
It’s on, now can Mosley even make this a fight? If not, the one they call “Money” aka “pretty boy Floyd” will put up a boxing clinic (an exhibition) against a great one, but slightly passed his prime “sugar” Shame Mosley, not the original “sugar” but good enough to carry the name.
Bear witness to one of the most skillful fighter in the history of boxing who only lacks KO punch at Jr welter and above, but decent pop help keep his opponent in line.
Floyd wins this one 8-4 and regains the mystical but irrelevant #1 P4P status. P4P is garbage, the fighter who dominates the best division in boxing is the best fighter in the sport, no catch weight needed. There are more than enough weight classes already.
Pac avoided Mosley, who was willing to come down to 140 lbs to fight him, Floyd faces the full welter Mosley. Who is the chicken here? Who walked away from 40M b/c of a drug test? Who fight in catch weight and make his opponent drained down so much that they can hardy put up a fight?
Many respectable people even claim that Manny is faster than Floyd, but all you have to do is look at Floyd vs JMM and you wil see Floyd is clearly faster, better skilled and all around better fighter.
Floyd is no police, but his suspect Pacman cheats and it’s why he demanded the random tests. From now on Floyd will be look at as someone who will help clean the sport even if it wasn’t his intention. He only wanted a level playing field against the Pacman. Who is Pacman to get everything he wants. He is not bigger than Floyd in the USA.
Pedro why do u have to show off ur math skills if these pacnuts can’t see the truth when it’s in their faces then how do expect them to add? You never lied to us Pedro and have been on this roid thing for a while. Kudos Pedro. Skerge I may not agree on everything with u but ur unbiased man and much respect kid!!!!! Iron-homo Spain and jjor what do u have to say for urselfs? U got sum splaining to do!!!!! Lol
Six million! at cowboy stadium and PPV “Come on Son” .
At first I thought Mosley will win this but upon reviewing their previous fights, mayweather and mosley’s, I am now picking Mayweather to win this. Pacquiao will eventually fight Mayweather. I’m sure about that. I just got a feeling that maybe Jerry Jones gave an offer Pacquiao could not resist so Pacquiao first took the Clottey fight in Dallas. But I know he and Mayweather will be fighting this year, provided that there will be no turn of events.
I just hope that there wont be anymore delay with the Mosley-Mayweather. Im still half skeptical. LOL. But I’m excited as well.
How did you know that Pacman is just getting $6 million for the Clottey fight?
Now we got some good matchups. If the winner of Pac/Clottey take on the winner of Mosley/Mayweather, I don’t care what anybody says, but I think we might end up with a better bargain than we asked for!
If olympic testing is truly better than what they have in place, let’s hope this fight will actually have the commisions flollow through with better methods in regards to testing boxers for illegal p.e.d.’s. all acroos the board.
The question I have to ask is:
“would Shane Mosley have passed the olympic testing during the time he admitted he was taking EPO?” If we as fans want a cleaner sport for all our beloved fighters, then one should seriously consider that question. Props to mayweather for taking this fight and even more props to him and shane if they continue to advocate for better testing all around.
Thanks, Pedro! The Pac-fans are a bunch of hypocritical jokes. If Floyd boxes carefully and cruises to a win they will say he ran like a chicken. If Pac does the same against Clottey they will claim he fought a smart fight against a dangerous opponet. If Floyd wins by close decision in a hard fought contest they will say that his defence is no good, he has no power and he is slipping. If Pac does the same against Clottey they will claim that the warrior-spirit in Pac enabled him to win a courageous victory. If Floyd blows out Mosley early it will be because Shane was old and past his prime. If Pac kayos Clottey it will be because he is a Pinoy superhero and a combination of Hercules and Bruce Lee. I would rather discuss religion with the Taliban than boxing with a Pac-fan. The Taliban guy would be more open-minded.
yeah he’s only guaranteed 6 he could make more with upside ppv
Finally a website favoring and adoring the great Floyd Mayweather Jr. the real fighter of the decade and the best of the best……
Told yah! Floyd’s just trying to play the game. Eventually, he would fight Manny Pacquiao, too. He just want to inflate the issue and make it appear bigger. Floyd is a sucker for controversy; he wants to lay down on the bed of controversy. That’s how, he believes, a fight becomes personal… and ‘cashable.’
yo pacfans, i guess pedro doesnt really hate pac, he just needed to criticise him cause, if you take a look at this site, the topics that “generates” lost of commets
are those that include pacman…..am i right pedro ? ….im just thinking what will
happen to this site when the time comes for pac to retire
Hi Pedro, I’ve been reading your articles for few years now and I think you give credit to boxers where credit is due. You also run a business – a boxing business at that. So you have to make things more exciting. I think you’re a good person and what you’re doing is creating a stir and I think you somehow contribute to the excitement of oncoming fights. Case in point: All of your articles generate a lot of responses. Whether positive or negative. I don’t see that a lot in other websites. Keep up the good work Pedro!
Pedro,
I would like to think I’m a neutral fan, but I think if Mosley was available when the Paquaio-Mayweather fight fell apart we’d be seeing Mosley-Paquaio. The only reason Mayweather is fighting Mosley is because he’s being forced to and has no other choices. He knows he’d get ripped apart if he didn’t because he has no more excuses. Don’t applaud him for finally testing himself when the fans and the media pretty much forced him too. I’ll applaud him if he wins, but at the same time its about time he’s fought someone real. If Mosley didn’t become available who’d you think he’d be fighting? Matthew Hatton or Malignaggi?
I have also heard Pacman will earn upwards of 10 million, after PPV, etc. As far as Mayrunner FINALLY signing to fight Mosley, good for him. First legit opponent in years. Drove Schaefer crazy because even he, who is promoting Fraud, was starting to wonder if he was scared of Mosley too!!! Face it, he got backed into a corner, had NO choice BUT to fight Shane.
You said it like it should be said Pedro, “Well Pacnuts, you can all STF up now that Floyd has inked a pact to fight Shane Mosley on May 1 in Las Vegas”. well said. But I wont get over excited until I see both Floyd and Shane in the ring May 1st at the MGM. U just never know maybe Floyd gets hurt in training and comes out with some bull$hit to walk away from the fight.
Mayweather was to “blame” for the Pacman fallout right? He was scared to fight Manny, so he came up with his OWN rules to get out of the fight…right? T
So what did he do… took on the Next best thing in Sugar shane! The SAME sugar shane that looked GREAT against Margarito Last January…Right? the # 1, at worst # 2 Welterweight in the world and in Everybody’s top 5 p4p…right?
NOW, Fast foward till now…What are they saying??
Floyd ONLY fought Shane b/c he will be on a 15 month lay off when they fight and he’ll be rusty….
If he fought Berto, he still would be coming off of 12 month lay off….right?
He only signed the fight b/c he was pressured into it…
I won’t and can not believe it until rd 1 of the fight begins…
So basically, Shane is an old man, who Floyd should Easily beat…right?
Then why do MAJORITY of the writers have Mosley by UD or late TKO and then Once Money May EXPELS Mosley from his boxing clinic…THEN they will say…Mosley is Finished…Did you see how he looked? He could Never beat Mosley in his prime!
But I thought I heard that Shane Never looked better after the Margacheato fight??? Hmmm…
The Margarito fight was a “Illusion”…Plaster hand Margacheato, just got busted b4 the fight, his confidence was “shaky” @ best…but take NOthing away from Shane, Phony Tony couldn’t beat shane on his Best day…but still the fight against Slow wide swinging, flat footed, no defense Margacheato is NO BAROMTER to judge this fight against Mayweather…Floyd will be too smart, too quick, too young, too much of everything…especailly with this “I’m knocking everybody out mentality”…Sounds like it’s back to the Over agressive, no foot or head movement, Let me Paw with the jab, str8 right hand, and leaping hook for Mosley…Mayweather EASILY UD OVER Mosley!
Not so fast Pedro…… not until they are inside the ring. Nevertheless, good for Mosley at last he has a decent fight after being avoided for 10 years by Floyd. Now Floyd has no choice but fight the almost 40 years old Mosley after the aborted Berto fight but mind you Pedro, Floyd has still 4 months…. yup 4 months to make one b.s alibi just for the fight not to happen. Expect rib injury and the like once training starts.
To: elloco…… Bro level playing field? Floyd cheated Marquez and refuse to be weigh-in on fight night and you call that level playing field? Floyd injects xylocaine a banned PED in 49 states on his brittle hands and you call that level playing field? He forced Mosley to agree on: less pay; rematch clause which is a clear sign of insecurity; ring size; gloves etc to all his advantage and you call that level playing field? Just when did Floyd fight an opponent in a level playing field?
Roberto….. what I can say is that read carefully my posts address to Pedro and elloco. Now let me tell you…. what if Pac is fighting Mosley and Floyd against Clottey. Wow… you will say Mosley is too old…. washed-up fighter…. damaged good after the Margo fight? But mind you boy…. Floyd’s foolishness will go back to his body a hundred times. Remember Marquez when he refused a 700K rematch wil Pac and instead Fought Chris John in Indonesia for 30K and lost…..yup… this is now happening to Floyd….. who will get his ass kicked by Mosley.
Mosley presents a lot more danger to PBF than Pac, Mosley a natural Weletrweight/Middleweight destroyed Margarito. PBF supposedly avoided Margarito, I would not even be surprised if Mosley wins, just proves that PBF was not intimidated or scared to fight Manny, he just chose an opponent that could possibly dethrone him. At least Mosley is willing to come clean after admitting to steroid use. Margarito was considered a top fighter before he got caught for cheating, eventually all cheaters will get caught, it’s better for Manny to start adhering to blood test and get rid of the suspicious cloud that is hanging over him
Jim Spain,
Call a spade a spade. Pac had Cotto drop to weight he hadn’t made in 3 years. Mosley told Pac he’d agree to any weight, less cash, any time and anywhere for a fight with Pac. As one blogger put it, he “almost said he’d fight Pac with 1 hand tied behind his back”, and Pac refused. Roach was quoted as saying that Mosley was too dangerous for Pac, high risk, low reward. Say when and I’ll post it for you. BTW, I was told that by someone from team Pac after the Hatton fight. I’m not a Floyd fan, but he signed when Pac wouldn’t. Pac gets off easy, because whatever the outcome, he will still avoid 1 one them.
Roberto Rios, Thank you.
DA SKERGE
If Floyd can barely beat beat De La Hoya I don’t see him dominating here. He’s older, and tends to throw less punches nowadays in fights…no combinations. Mosely who in many previous fights did something his father called “power boxing” now has nasim richardson. Mosley used to not have much of a jab at all. In his fight with Margarito he showed an improved jab and will need it to win this fight. While Mosley is probably past his prime, you can argue that so is Floyd. This is a rsky fight for both guys and an intersting matchup that I am glad both guys have agreed to. I feel Mosley needs to use that jab effectively to control the match, but for him to beat mayweather he can’t just do it by being the agressor. I feel that is a mistake all of Floyds opponnents make. Floyd is excellent going backwards and it helps him control the pace because of his counter punching ability. Mosley should control the fight with his jab and try to force Floyd to come forward and be the agressor and and hopefully be able to use speed to counter Floyd.. Most guys who end up catching Floyd with shots happens when they get into exchanges. Floyd rarely gets intop exchanges while backing up. You have to try and catch him when he leaps in with those lead left hooks he throws and that lead right hand. I think Mosley can do it, but if the strategy is just to chase Floyd around he’ll get embarassed.
Michael is right..Mayweather signed for the fight because the public demanded he stop the garbage and fight real competition. He was forced to or lose alot of credability.
But good for Mayweather; I hope he shows up and we have a good competitive fight for a change. Hopefully the positive attention he will get for making this fight will wake him up and he will continue to fight the top welterweights in the future and not revert back to fighting lightweights.
All of PacMan’s last few fights were against washed up/beatable fighters:
1. Cotto – was battered by Margaritos illegally wrapped hands…took alot out of Cotto…Cotto may not have been the same after the Mosley fight(a battle) and what Margarito did was just ruthless and wrong.
2. Hatton – knocked out by PBF before PacMan got to him and a KO’d fighter is never the same, plus was Hatton that great? Great at building a fan base, but other than that,I could have named many other fighters that would have put Hatton on his ass.
3. De La Hoya – A money fight for Oscar …he was a part time fighter for years before he fought PacMan…Now when it comes to singing they both suck
4. David Diaz – Never heard of him before the fight, never heard about him after the fight…this fight was the easiest available fight for a title PacMan had at the time.
That sums up his last 2 years ….2 FKn years…So now he fights Clottey…Clottey is another beatable fighter…I just feel Arum is a little cautious to be claiming Manny will fight anyone….In the last couple of years, I don’t see it…atlease his resume the last couple of years don’t show it.
I disagree Spain and I don’t ridicule pacmans opponent selection. Who could his resume is a who’s who of pfp and hall of fame fighters. I never mention mosleys age I say that the biased people and pacfools will say that or blame the layoff. All the straight trash people talk of pbf is just hate and crazy. Pbf blew the PAC fight?how because he wanted PAC to test the same test he’d do
KP…
The problem with that is Mayweather rarely goes on the attack in a fight and when he does it is very brief. The reason most of his opponents are aggressive is because Mayweather will not engage in a sustained attack.
Mosley will have to corner him and throw power shots to the body and slow him down.
I wonder what effect clean power shots to the head and body have on a fighter that has rarely been hit with them in the past. I think there is a level of conditioning that a fighter acquires over years of taking punches. Mayweather has avoided these situations and might not be able to take the big shots; Mosley appears bigger and probably hits harder. I think RJJ had this problem when his reflexes began slowing and he could be hit.
If Mosley can use his speed to gain an advantage over Mayweather and land some good shots I think he has a good chance of winning.
Easy does it there, Pedro! This fight hasn’t happened yet, and it’s way too early to say that it’s really going to happen. In the past, Pbf has shown no interest in fighting real top-of-the-line welters like Shane Mosley, hands-of-plaster Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto, and Paul Williams. How can a guy allow himself to be touted as #1 for so long without fighting ANY of his top competitors? Well, Pbf did it, and it wasn’t real inspiring. The reality is, you press guys have been giving Pbf a free pass since he graduated from Lightweight. If he goes through with the Mosely fight, though, I for one will be a fan: win, lose or draw. Fighting Mosley means a whole lot more in my book than challenging little guys like Marquez, Nate Campbell, and even Pac. For a big guy to challenge a little guy is always cowardly. The big guy has to wait for the little guy to come to him.
Oh I have to add one more thing…. The whole thing about Pbf’s exaggerated testing demands as to Pac was just Pbf trying to make Pac jump through a bunch of humiliating hoops. That’s BS and Pac was right not to put up with it. Pac is the superstar here. It’s not Pac that’s auditioning for a date with Pbf, but the other way around! Pbf needs to approach Pac hat in hand, with a contrite heart, apologize, and ask for a fight. The fight should be in Pac’s town of Manila, not in Pbf’s town of Las Vegas. There is no reason for Pac to put up with any more humiliating demands.
Pedro, get off Mayweather’s sack! Damn this is annoying. The man finally takes on a top fighter in his own weight class after being a welter for 5 years. It’s about time. You’re giving him credit for shit he’s supposed to do if he’s a supposed all-time great (which he isn’t). Manny and Floyd will fight next if they both win. Floyd needs the money more than Manny, so it’s no thing to Manny. Floyd lives like an idiot spending money trying to show people how rich he is (true sign of an idiot waiting to lose his money). Manny’s legacy is already set, Floyd has been a joke at 147. I think Floyd must have some naked pictures of you and ODLH in that hotel room when ODLH had on the stockings. Stop being so biased and be real. Mayweather did his thing at 130 and 135. At 147 he hasn’t done squat.
Lets clean up the sport of boxing and drug test the corner men too!…Look out Floyd. Pacman’s fans are ruining his status in boxing, that’s the only way to explain all the hate from writers here and else where. Pacman was hated here long before Floyd attempted to ”clean up the sport”. Just read the title of this article. Or maybe some Floyd logic here….”they haten on Pac cause he’s asian”!
Sure Manny is making less by fighting Clottey than Mayweather, but Mayweather is also making a lot less by fighting Mosely. A little balance too much to ask for Pedro? Mayweathers victory over a 39 year old Mosely will do little to enhance his resume.
jjor, yeah you’re right that Mosley will need to corner Mayweather and land some punches that will hurt. I think that Mayweather has taken some punishment so Mosley won’t be hitting that much harder than FM has been hit before. I think that he’s got a solid enough chin. But I think that as long as Mayweather continues his excellent defending, movement and counterpunching he can catch Mosley enough times and win a 12 round decision, or if he catches Mosley at least as many times as he caught JMM and as flush, then he should clearly win. If he wears Mosley down in the much later rounds, then he might get be able to do some real damage. Advantage – Floyd.
The fools looking for a weakness in Floyd point to the decline of the Great RJJ. Unlike, RJJ Floyd doesn’t rely completely on speed and reflexes. Floyd is a pure boxer who rarely lower his hand when he is within range of being hit, his fundamental boxing skills come naturally to him, as he has been fighting since he was 3 yrs old. He rarely makes a mistake and take advantages when his opponents make mistakes. He rarely stay in in place or give his opponent angles. Raises his hand and has a counter for anything an opponent throws. Only the great fighters can stay in the ring with Floyd. If you look at the fight against JMM, who is a great fighter and you ignore the size difference, you can see that Floyd did not relied on side to beat him, he did not over powered JMM, he out boxed him. No one before Floyd have been able to do that. Juan Diaz overpowered JMM and paid the price. He engaged JMM in hopes of over powering him and Juan’s accurate counter punching got to him.
Same thing would happen if Pacman fought Floyd. Pac looks fast against a slow flat footed Cotto, He look fast against a drained Oscar, the Hatton fight was just Hatton being a mediocre fighter. Pacman would look average at best against a Floyd and would lose a UD decision. If he get aggressive and tries to engage Floyd he could be TKO in the later rounds. He is not good enough to be Floyd at any weight.
Floyd could fight and beat many fighters if he loses some hand speed. He would just be in more interesting fights.
Not impressed. Floyd has made fans wait over 4 years before finally signing to face a decent welterweight opponent. Signing to fight Mosley is long overdue so do not trip over yourself giving accolades to Floyd, who should have taken such fights many years ago as a matter of routine. A top boxer is expected to fight champions in his own division to prove he is himself a champion. Which we still do not know 4-1/2 years later. We will find out May 1, at long last.
Ps whiner what hoops r u reffering to ring size, weight, gloves, purse, penalties for weight? Oh that was pacman making Floyd jump hoops. All pbf asked was random testing and by random means whenever with no notice! That cut off date bs is exactly bs roiders cycle off and on, on any given time. Olympians testeven on event days so please don’t give me that makes me weak crap. They both have a fault in killing the fight. But a peice of me thinks they dd it on purpose to have a bigger build up to their fight in the summer. So we all look like fools arguing about it
Who would waste their time buying Pac/Clottey. Think I will save my money for Floyd/Mosley.
Manny legacy is beating washed up fighters who have already been destroyed, Manny legacy is not set what has he done that noone else has> wake me up when he beats somoen who has not already been dominated
Alberto,
if what ur saying about pac’s last few fights are true, then why did the pbf camp came up with the idea that he’s using roids? how about u, with all the reasons that u just said, do u think pac was on roids in all those fights u mentioned?
Now u guys r gonna see a MOTIVATED!! Pbf that’s ish is gonna be scarey!!!!!! Yikes!! When was the last time any of us can say we saw pbf motivated? I say Chico corrales. And look what happened. To think floyds been fighting justwith his proffesionalism and not motivated and still done all he has. Now people r gonna see the real pbf. I didn’t like Floyd at 1 point then I got to see him live. He fought manfreddy and I was going for el diablo. When I saw pbf it was like a religous experience. When u see and hear the truth there’s no denying it! And I’ve seen many of these great fighters live. Jones , tito, b hop Chad Dawson etc and they don’t come close to pbf
Dnash hold up buddy!! U can’t attack pacmans resume u got to be crazy. That ish is littered with Brocken bodies , spirits and hall of famers so don’t belittle pacs feats it’s heracy. The dude will bust king kongs azz if he got in the ring with him
Why are so many fans borderline effeminate and overly emotional about Floyd, Pac, Shane or ANY other fighter? The pendulum seems to swings to such ridiculous extremes. “Floyd signed for Shane….so Pac must be guilty” and stuff like that really isn’t proof of anything.
Fact – Shane is pushing 40 and by the sound of the first bell will have been inactive some fifteen months.
Fact – Shane looked more ordinary than great leading up to the Margarito win
Fact – Margarito’s style was made to order for Mosley…and who is to say the shellacking Margarito absorbed in the Cotto bout, despite winning, wasn’t a factor going into the Mosley bout?
Fact – from a stylistic standpoint, Floyd is all wrong for Mosley…and far less complicated than would be a relentless southpaw boxer/puncher at the height of his powers
In a very real way, Floyd HAS upped his game opting for Shane, however, in a VERY real way, he is once again taking the easier path.
I wonder if Floyd will show-up at the agreed upon weight this time.
Rubber Warrior,
Fact – Pac avoided that same Shane Mosley when Mosley was willing to agree to weight (even 140), weight penalty, gloves, location, purse split, religion, underwear, etc…
You want to talk real? Clottey is slower, smaller, and not even close to the boxer that Shane is. Pac wins, because he won’t fight both of them (PBF and Mosley). Shane was fighting at 154 before Margarito (Mayorga), fought the pre-battered and undefeated Cotto at 147 and the crafty-lefty Collazo. From ‘07 to ‘09 Pac fought a “Green” Solis, an “old(er) Barrera” and Marquez (barely won, if that), The worst “Diaz”, a zombie DLH, the waay overrated and beat up Hatton, and the plaster battered Cotto. Facts!
“Guru”,
Where are you?
DA SKERGE
Damn skerge what’s up wit u bigboy ur on fire the last couple days. Right on and I concurs withwhat u said. But we need to stop tripping on both these guys. They r both badazzez that’s why we r all day going back and forth. I think we just get in pissing contest half the time. Yea boxing- guru this place ain’t the same without u. Ur boxing knowledge is second to none man all bs aside
Skerge! Hey Clottey fought Margs too and didnt get all jacked up like Cotto did! He also fought for 8+ rounds with a broken hand! Didnt get all jacked up like Cotto did! Clottey went toe to toe with Cotto and some say he won. He did get a split decision. Mosley lost a unanimous decision versus Cotto! Dont try to tear down Clottey.. I think Mosley and Floyd have both avoided this guy! Mosley to me hasnt done anything to special at 147 since dlh to me, but neither has Floyd! I give ssm the advantage for one reason only Nasim (spell check) his trainer. Dude is a genius!
rober0199,
I thought Cotto was overrated anyway. I thought Clottey beat Cotto too. As for Clottey, he’s also physically bigger than Cotto, with longer arms, so he fought Margacheato a different way than Cotto did. Mosley, I thought beat Cotto. I was being fair though, becuase Rubberwarrior is saying Floyd is wrong for Mosley, but Clottey is wrong for Pac too. Trust me, I have respect for Clottey, but he has to fight a perfect fight from the outside and push Pac back to the ropes to win. He’s much too slow to trade without opening himself up (unless he can time Pac). What say you? Mosley hasn’t done nothing at 147 since DLH, which fight are you talking about their first? Well, he fought the guy neither Tito or DLH wanted to fight in Forrest, though he lost, he fought him. Then he moved up and fought another highly avoided guy in Winky. We know what happened to Tito there, and DLH was too scared to. At least Mosley fought and fights guys he knows give him problems style-wise. The same can’t be said for Floyd (until now)and Pac. I agree that with Richardson, Mosley looks alot better. His dad was horrible at comming up with a Plan A, and never had a plan B.
DA SKERGE
The reason all of these guys (PM, Cintron, Campbell etc..) are willing to undergo what ever camp FM requests is simple: Where else could they make that kind of money? certainly not fighting each other.Mosley has zero options. As gifted as FM is, he doesn’t take chances and comes off as being arrogant which why people overlook his ability and focus on his gangsta, rapper wanna be image. FM ’s management has done a tremendous job at keeping him undefeated. Why has FM’s team not asked for this type of scrutiny from any other fighter he has faced? Now all of a sudden Pac is a steroid user ( allegedly)?? The editors of this blog are quick to label people Pacnuts for questioning FM’s intent from the start. Why didn’t Floyd call out Cotto, Margarito or Mosely when they were at the top of the WWD?? He didn’t want to give ODH a rematch either. Floyd is a fraud, deal with it.
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How does this shut the pacnuts up? Because Floyd is facing his first real challenge since the second Castillo fight which was what 2002. Or because he’s facing his first real welterweight?
Say what you want about Manny, but he fights everybody. The only person he was ever accused of ducking was JMM and he fought him twice!
Personally I think he should have just taken the test and I think Arum deserves most of the blame for him not. That said Schaeffer is a bigger hypocrite because he refused to have Mosley take a test at Judah’s request and he’s a convicted user.
Bottom line Floyd’s finally fighting somebody because he has no other choice and
that’s a good thing. Manny as usual is taking on another badass in Clottey and hopefully cooler heads will prevail and they will fight in the fall.
I think we should be careful trusting these clown experts who claim to know someone is using without any proof other than looking at them. Conte is a great resouce on SSM because he worked with him he’s never even met Manny how is his opinion at all relevant? His 15 minutes are up.
I also think Pedros bias against Top Rank is showing through. Still waiting for all those Top Rank exs to go to jail. If Manny fails a test or Teddy Atlas’s mystery emails show up (like if Mayweather’s camp had them they wouldn’t have released them) I will be the first to condemn him, but until then let’s try to keep some journalistic integrity.
Tim,
You are wrong. Pac shamelessly ducked Mosley. The pacnuts even accused Mosley of “begging” for the fight. Pac didn’t fight Casamayor at 135, he called out Diaz, but he was referring to David, the worst of the Diaz’s. Conte is relevant, because he is an “expert” on the subject. Clottey is made for Pac, he’s slow and not quite busy enough, especially at the end of fights. I give Clottey credit though, he’s tough. Top Rank and specifically Bob Arum is what is wrong with boxing. Golden Boy is going the same route in “protecting” A mere Con (Amir Khan). Arum doesn’t even have respect for the fans, as he is always saying we (fans) can go F#*! ourselves, so I don’t blame Pedro or any “fan” he bashes Arum.
DA SKERGE
It’s not bob arum, it’s bitch scamum!!!! He’ll but hid naked ass on ppv if somebody will
buy it. Latin fury, pinoy power? What bs and when he does big events it’s only 1 major fght and shifty undercards!! I hate bitch scamum, he is everything thing wrong with boxing. Look at don king a straight crook, but when he put on pv events there would be quality multiple title fghts. This is the same arum trying to get margocheato reinstated!!! And refuses to let pacman test Fu–ing trash he is. And he hates pbf and odlh because he didn’t have his hand in their pocket anymore!!!!!!!!!!! And he is robbing pacman over 30 percent that’s Fu–ing criminal what up with u pacfools if u got ur mans back make an issue about that!!!!!!!!’
SKERGE I totally agree with you on Arum. I’m old enough to remember his PPV’s with Butterbean and Mia St. John. He’s exactly what’s wrong with boxing. His classic F*U to the fans who wanted JMA and Gamboa says it all. I also agree with you about King loved his undercards (Chavez – Haugen was my favorite, but they were almost always great).
What I don’t agree with is the so called experts that trash Manny bc he’s with Arum. There is absolutely no evidence Manny used Conte’s a joke. As far as he’s concerned every athlete in every sport is using. That may be true but without a shread of evidence it is irresponsible to print. It is still innocent until proven guilty.
Ironic that you mention Cassamayor and SSM as fighters Pac ducked. Floyd ducked Cassamoyer (he was even willing to come up to 140 for Floyd, but Floyd rejected that and fought Brussels what a joke) for years and multiple divisions and SSM for even longer. Diaz was an easy fight no doubt, but Pac had one fight at 135 and he was in Ring’s top 3 or 4 when Pac fought him. Hatton was the champ and top guy and 140 and coming off maybe his best performance against Paulie. Cotto was a top 3 welter. There is plenty of blame to go around for the collapse of Pac-Money, but there is absolutely no doubt about who’s fought better fighters and taken more chances it’s not even close.
What’s lost in the discussion is SSM. He’s an all time great that not only will, but wants to fight everyone. Veron and Winky were both all wrong for him, but he fought them both twice. Great interview at Yahoo where he says after Floyd he wants Pac and even Paul Williams (I can guarantee we will never hear Floyd or even Manny call him out).
There is a lot of time spent on what’s wrong with boxing and there are no shortage of opinions, but SSM is a great example of what’s right.
Tim,
Thanks for agreeing on Arum. I don’t trash Pac because he’s with Arum, I “trash” him because he’s not fighting the best guys. People accuse Floyd of Cherry picking and I agree, but I believe Pac and Roach do the same thing. Roach is doing the same with Khan. Arum has a habbit of doing the same. Diaz was rated high because the guys who had been ranked higher fought tougher opponents and came up short, thus he was moved up by default. Look at Diaz’s resume, I am not impressed. Hatton was vastly over-rated. Most guys Paulie’s size with some pop look good. Did Hatton look good vs Lazcano? That’s the fight that prompted Roach to target Hatton. I agree with you comments on Shane, I’ve said the same things.
DA SKERGE