PACQUIAO REFUSES STRICT STEROID TESTS!
December 22nd, 2009 By Pedro Fernandez
BIGGEST FIGHT EVER NOW IN PERIL
San Francisco, CA- To paraphrase a boxing prophet, “Only Egos Could Derail Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather.” That was a fortnight ago. Now it appears that the alleged Steroid use by Manny Pacquiao might kill the 2010 fight! In case you’ve been under a rock, Manny Pacquiao, the king of all boxing, was accused first by Floyd Mayweather Sr., father Of Mayweather Jr., of using Steroids months ago. Then former welterweight champion Kermit Cintron, appearing on “Ring Talk Worldwide,” the longest (25 years) and most entertaining fight show in history, Cintron said there was “no doubt” in his mind that Pacquiao was “using something.”
G.B.P. CZAR SAYS PAC REFUSES STEROID TESTS
Those backing the Filipino phenom Manny Pacquiao, they have spent thousands of hours on the Internet accosting anybody who broaches the subject of Pacquiao and Steroids. Well, according to Richard Schaeffer, the financial wizard that puts away Oscar De La Hoya’s money at Golden Boy Promotions, and who is handling Floyd’s business here, said Tuesday afternoon that Manny has backed out of the “Olympic style testing for steroids.”
THIS SOUNDS LIKE…WELL…PLAIN OLD BULL S*IT!
Although his defenders will try and spin this in some far reaching if not ridiculous manner, Pacquiao was thought to have agreed to Steroid testing as outlined and mandated by the United States Anti Doping Agency. That appears not to be the case as Pacquiao promoter Todd du beof, Top Rank VP, informed Schaeffer that “Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. Pacquiao would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight. Schaffer continued with his press release. “Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.”
WHICH LAME ASS EXCUSE APPLIES?
First it was superstitions, then an aversion to needles, which excuse applies, if either and or both? This to me sounds as if Pacquiao’s reps are throwing everything they can at the wall of public opinion, this in the hope that something will stick. For Manny or his cronies to use either as an excuse is pure unadulterated bull s*it, especially in light of the Mayweather Sr. and Cintron’s public accusations that they feel Manny has indeed utilized anabolic Steroids/performance enhancing drugs.
TESTING TIMES CRITICAL WITH DESIGNER DRUGS
The US Doping Agency would make unannounced visits of both Mayweather and Pacquiao’s training camps and take both blood and urine samples. If you are going to use Steroids, you need to take them and then stop in order to flush your system at a specific date and time in order to pass a post fight drug test. Look, I had some blood drawn a few weeks ago, and I don’t even look when they do it. With the veins that Manny has in his arms, it’s not like they are going to search hard to tap one for crimson.
PAC SHOOTS HIMSELF BY REFUSING STEROID TESTS!
If Manny continues to not want to adhere the strictest of Steroid tests, then all this does is nix the biggest fight in history, and at the same time leave fair-minded folks with the feeling that Manny Pacquiao, the great fighter who has fought from mini flyweight (108 lbs) to welterweight (147), was just what Mayweather and Cintron claimed, a cheat!
Pedro Fernandez
I for one think both May and Pacquiao do more than just bend rules. I believe that both of them are jacked up. This IS the STEROID ERA and if Manny has an issue with giving blood it is NOTHING when compared to mine… However, I’m not in a profession where PED usage is rampant; he is and if he doesn’t like being jabbed with a needle because of this fact… He should go discuss his displeasure over said event with Evan Fields or whomever Manny Ramirez was going to see when Manny was trying to become pregnant.
Between now and then, Manny takes these tests or he can just admit what I and pretty much everyone with a two eyeballs and a functioning brain already knows has been going on for some time now.
Here, here, the great Jack Dunne has spoken!
Pedro has nailed this one; an athlete of Pac’s stature is pricked and prodded non-stop for medicals and gawd knows what so it is Barbara Streisand pure and simple. Smart move by the Mayweathers.
Jack,
EVIDENCE? Waiting…
Ramirez was caught using. He took the test that EVERY MLB player was subjected to.
Pac isn’t (by any accounts) refusing to take REQUIRED tests by the NSAC.
According to GBP, he won’t take the tests Mayweather is REQUESTING.
NO OTHER FIGHT (including, interestingly enough, Mayweather/JMM) has had these tests, and they will not be used for any other fight. This is specific to this contract.
Now, Jack, provide EVIDENCE of steroid use. Don’t come back with “everyone knows” and “my eyes tell me.” For instance:
Shane Mosley used steroids.
My EVIDENCE: His grand jury testimony contains his admission of it. A federal judge ordered its release.
Your turn.
And don’t come back with “he isn’t going through Olympic testing.”
That isn’t done for ANY other fight. I don’t think Leonard and Hagler had to take different tests than every other fighter on that card. And if Floyd thinks this test is superior, why didn’t he demand it for the Marquez fight? Or the DLH fight? It certainly was available then.
But Floyd’s free not to go through with the fight (if the GBP statement is accurate–I’ll wait and see there). Just like Pac’s free to go through with either the Olympic testing or the NSAC testing–which is what is required.
Were Pac competing in the Olympics or in a sport (cycling) that REQUIRES this testing, we’d have a different story.
But it comes down to basic freedom of contract on both sides.
Pedro smells blood, so he wants to go in for the kill!
Will Pedro come up short, or will his personal agenda prove 100% correct?
Lost all respect for the Boxing Guru. He won’t take random blood and urine tests and you say that’s all right. Even though a lot of knowledgeable folks feel he has indeed used Steroids. Why not kill the rumor, IF IT IS JUST THAT and take the tests> By not, Pac is sort of like taking the Fifth Amendment on Roids use.
This is the lame, ridiculous bull shit I expected from the Pacnuts!
Pedro:
1. Pac has agreed to random urine tests.
2. I don’t believe in rumors. I believe in evidence. The Fifth Amendment only comes about when there is enough evidence either to bring someone before a grand jury or for trial. Pac has agreed to ALL required tests.
And my question remains unanswered: Why didn’t Floyd demand this for the JMM fight? Pretty simple question. Olympic testing was around at that time. Unless you’d like to tell me Floyd hadn’t heard of it? Sorry, but “rumors” mean nothing without evidence to support them.
The NSAC testing is good enough for EVERY OTHER FIGHT in Nevada. It’s good enough for this one. Like I said, were Hags and SRL given more advanced tests than every other fighter on the card?
“A lot of knowledgable people FEEL [emphasis mine]” that Pac’s roiding is NOT evidence. That’s just speculation.
This is not the Olympics. This is boxing. The NSAC has the power to do random urine tests.
And if Floyd won’t fight Pac without these tests, that’d better apply to everyone else. There is nothing that warrants Pac’s being singled out.
Now, were this Mosley (caught juicer), I’d understand Floyd’s fear. But Pac is just like JMM and DLH. No evidence has come to light that any of them has juiced.
I agree with Jack Dunne. If Pacquiao won’t sign a contract under these terms, it certainly proves, that his blood is not clean.
People competing in cycling, swimmming and lot of other sports are forced to deliver the so-called “whereabouts” schedules for every day, so the anti doping agencies can show up on the specific adress and stick them with that needle. It’s so easy to cheat in boxing. Kudos to Mayweathers team for trying to clean up a little bit.
How can anyone be against strict testing in what many people consider to be the biggest bout of the decade?
For some people, needles are really invasive. When it comes to needles I’ve been a pussy since I was a kid. These days I am able to psych myself up enough for a blood draw, and in fact I have even given blood on a few occasions. HOWEVER (BIG HOWEVER), it DOES distract me from training. When I have a blood draw (or after I have given blood), I don’t train for a couple of days afterward. I don’t know, but it just doesn’t feel right in my arm. I need it to rest for a couple of days, free from all activity. Maybe it is psychological from the time a blood draw left a really HUGE bruise on my arm — not quite sure — but I won’t do any physical activity for about two days. THIS may be what is troubling Pacquiao. It’s not fear of the BLOOD DRAW itself, but concern about how it may affect his training. Having to take a couple of days off after a surprise random blood test can REALLY throw off one’s training. If this is indeed the case, I have to feel for Pacquiao as a fellow “blood-draw phobic.” I don’t expect others to understand because it may seem illogical to them, but to me (again, IF this is the case) I empathize with what Manny may be going through, and I wish there was another way.
Pacman should agree to the tests. In fact, I think the government should move on this issue to make it a law that all fighters are subject to random blood tests if they fight in the USA. This will be good business for boxing in the US, because this is where the money is. HBO PPV is where the money is, and the fighters need to be clean for the sake of boxing.
Mosley never failed a test either and to me he might still be using steroids. I think Mosley would not want any part of Floyd now that Floyd would request the same random blood tests from him if they should fight.
I think Manny had an opportunity to end the rumors of his steroid use and he made the situation much worse, by refusing random blood tests.
Boxing organizations should ask all countries to pass Olympic style drugs tests to regulate boxing. Even the most impoverish countries can implement these laws, at least for major fights, that would be a start.
This might be just psychological warfare from Floyd and his camp and Floyd has already won big. He could agree not to go along with the Olympic style tests and the damage has already been done to Pacman’s psyche. If he wins Floyd would claim he beat a juiced Pacman, if he loses Floyd would claim he lost because the Pacman is juicing. Unless Pacman agrees to random tests, his reputation loses big.
Pacman wanted tests outside of the steroids cycle’s range. What an idiot, he would test 6 weeks before the fight , but not randomly. Also, after the fight. This is stupid. This is his camp comments, let’s wait and see what the Pacman has to say.
Look I am getting sick of so much sh*t, we are the ones buying the PPV and buying tickets. We don’t lose much, the boxers lose more.
It’s crazy how this steroid thing has escalated. I now question Mosley’s win over Margarito. I have never seem Mosley hit somebody so hard, like he hit Margarito. This is the same Mosley who was dead tired against Mayorga (of all people). Against a killer like Margarito Mosley pushed him all over the place, tied him up in close and manhandled a bad ass like Margo. a bigger Margo. I don’t buy it anymore. Since when do 37 year old boxers on their way down find a fountain of youth? I feel the same way about Hopkins now. They are all into something….
Hey Pedro, it seems you trying to imply that Pac broke the law….Remember all the testing conducted by duly authorized Nevada State came out negative result of any drugs on Pacman before and after the fight…This drug issue came out on air because of those envious people who want to destroy Pacman achievement,including you Pedro, without any supporting evidence..Hey Pedro, did you have one?…If you have one please bring it out…Be sure this does not come from your gut feeling…This is full of bullshit!!!!Please read Mr R. Nathaniels article to clarify everything and don’t forget to read between the lines…It is Gayweather who failed to comply on the agreed/stipulated weight just to gain advantage in a fight with lightweight champion Marquez…
It’s something he never mentioned before. Another coincidence? They pull my blood and I look the other way and don’t even feel it much. I don’t like it, but I deal with it and I’m not making $30 million.
Hey Pedro, it seems you trying to imply that Pac broke the law….Remember all the testing conducted by duly authorized Nevada State came out negative result of any drugs on Pacman before and after the fight…This drug issue came out on air because of those envious people who want to destroy Pacman achievement,including you Pedro, without any supporting evidence..Hey Pedro, did you have one?…If you have one please bring it out…Be sure this does not come from your gut feeling…This is full of bullshit!!!!Please read Mr R. Nathaniels article to clarify everything and don’t forget to read between the lines…It is Gayweather who failed to comply on the agreed/stipulated weight just to gain advantage in a fight with lightweight champion Marquez…
From this article Manny says he would take the test after the fight. If there are PEDS in his blood it would not disappear automatically right after the fight date itself. This writer is obviously a Pac Hater. Shame on you.
Jerome, in a long line of bozos, you stand in front. Read the article, PEOs, Steroids, they can wash out of the system, depending on what they are, in days. Cocaine only stays in the blood 72 hours. What Pac is refusing here is one to three blood and urine tests in training. With his reputation, and the pride of an entire nation being put in peril, why can’t Manny “man up” and take the tests. Unless?
Spadafora: Difference is that EVERY swimmer, cyclist, etc. is subject to those regulations.
And if Mayweather is trying to “clean up” the sport, why didn’t he make this demand of DLH and JMM? Sorry, but that description of what he’s doing is nonsense.
No, I’m not saying Manny broke a law. Do your friends a favor, don’t offer legal advice. I’m saying that guys are calling out Manny on the steroid issue, most notably, his next opponent Floyd Mayweather, is saying he’s taking steroids.
What better way to cement your standing in the world as an athlete, aspiring politician, and national hero than by agreeing to Olympic testing. A Filipino at work threw this in my face last week at 6:45 AM. “Hey, they agreed to Olympic testing so people will stop talking shit.” G agreed this was a good thing..I wonder how he will spin in early Weds AM.
iloco: There is a HUGE difference between Mosley and Hopkins/Pac. Mosley was caught using by Balco records; he admitted it to a grand jury.
And Floyd’s going to have to explain why he didn’t demand JMM submit to this testing. GBP is going to have to explain why all there fighters/fights don’t use it. Sorry, but “this is the biggest fight” doesn’t work. Leonard and Hagler weren’t tested differently. Same goes for Floyd and DLH, etc. That’s my point.
And, when/if the government passes tthat law, let me know. But I have a problem when one fighter is being criticized when he’s agreed to all required tests but is refusing to be singled out. Again, Floyd, why no Olympic tests pre/JMM? The issue never even arose.
Weak response for a Guru. Take the friggen tests and shut all these MF’ers up! I said you guys had already invested thousands of Internet hours defending pacman on this. And then he turns around and refuses the tests. Don’t you guys feel even slightly…and I’ll be nice…..wrong here. By Pac agreeing to the testing it would lock Mayweather’s mouth shut! Not going to let you tit for tat on this one. Having something worthy to add or it won’t make it.
Hey Guru, ready to shut your IP down here as you’re taking up space and blithering while doing so.
NOBODY was accusing sunken chested Juan Manuel Marquez of taking Steroids, PEOPLE ARE ACCUSING MANNY PACQUIAO OF TAKING STEROIDS. Juan is one guy, Pacman another.
The thing is Oscar wasn’t killing anyone and was never rumored to be using steroids.
Moreover, Oscar was the big draw and he made all the demands. Obviously Floyd felt he could beat a juiced JMM. They way JMM looked against Juan Diaz Floyd knew JMM was on the way down. JMM got hit a lot by a mediocre Diaz.
Pacman on the other hand is KOs or TKOs Oscar, Hatton and Cotto. They were destroyed by a smaller man.
Pedro,
First off, I did not (as you can verify) post the comment above “Boxing Greats”.
Second, I hear the “why shouldn’t Pac do it” argument. I respond with the “why should he do it?”
Floyd can “call out” Pac over steroids; it’s useless without evidence.
I’m still waiting to hear why JMM wasn’t forced to take this test. I don’t care about unfounded rumors, which is what this is. “Kermit Cintron says so” is not evidence. “Floyd says so” is not evidence. I will ask again: If this is so important (Floyd wants to rid the sport of roids), why wasn’t it put in to the JMM contract? If GBP values this, why don’t all GBP fighters submit to it?
And rumors would continue even WITH Olympic testing. You can’t disprove something. To Pac critics: Provide evidence (like I did for Shane) of steroid use. I’m waiting.
To boxinguru,
we are not in the 80’s. HGH was invented in the late 90’s. I am sure now there are other steroids that we don’t know about. We have to deal with what we know. It’s all we can do. In the 80’s cocaine was the problem in baseball, now is over the counter drugs and HGH. Only random blood test detect HGH.
There is always a beginning. Pacman should shut us up.
I was the first to disclose Mosley’s grand jury testimony. Was dogged for it and then four years or so later, Shane admits exactly what I said in the BALCDo deal. THE reason why he should do is that he should do it for his honor, that of the Filipino people, and the boxing game itself. And don’t tell me some poor kid from the sts. of General Santos City doesn’t owe the game that has made him a multi-millionaire, doesn’t owe assurance to all that he is indeed a real champion and not one made of synthetics.
This article is misleading, the title speaks for itself. Pacquiao did not refuse the steroid tests, only the testing dates being demanded by Mayweather. Pedro missed to mention many points e.g. Blood testing is not part of the Nevada State Athletics Commission’s rules for boxing matches held there. Who is Mayweather to dictate and change the boxing rules in Nevada!? And who is Pedro to dignify that? This blood test is a Mayweather demand that came from unsubstantiated accusations to undermine Pacquiao’s accomplishments. Pedro is clearly favoring Mayweather here and his whims! P.S. Pacquiao PASSED all the tests required by the commission. Enough said.
No, do the Anti Doping testing set up for the Olympics. This is the biggest fight in history. For those of you to defend Manny not taking a few extra tests, you sound as if you yourself suspect Pacquiao of using steroids.
Marquez was not a ripped animal unexpectedly moving up 40 lbs and knocking people dead. To say there is no difference between a flabby Marquez and a really ripped Pacquiao, this to me proves you are legally blind in that you can’t distinguish between the two vastly different physiques of Pac & JMM.
Pedro, are u an expert in drugs of any kind?Pacman did agree to have the testing done before the press release and after the fight…Testing after the fight is enough to clear out rumors against pacman…They can get the blood right after pacman fight,before he leaves the ring.Do u agree?
This is now the Steroid era. Why shouldn’t we test as completely as we can? These costs will not break anybody. Although it sounds like it’s already exposing some half witted remarks.
Pedro: No more than Hopkins. No more than Vazquez, JMM, Rafa, and every other fighter. I want equal treatment for everybody. That’s not happening here. And Mosley’s been caught. My problem before the release of the testimony was that there was no way to verify it.
Bolt isn’t tested differently in his sport. Pujols isn’t in his. Hopkins isn’t in boxing. Neither was DLH. Woods isn’t in golf. Armstrong isn’t in cycling. Manny shouldn’t be in boxing (unless he agrees to it). If this testing is so good, make it uniform. If not, don’t. But don’t give me this “clean up the sport” line and then demand it for one fight. That doesn’t fly with me.
The suspicion of pac using Steroids, and this being the biggest fight of all time, what are you and the pacnuts afraid of? Floyd wants him tested during training. So do I and every other person looking to have a fair and truly superfight March 13.
If I were in Pac’s shoes, i’d jump at the chance to maqke this part of the HBO 24-7 thing for he and Floyd. I’d only say no if I were dirty!
It doesn’t fly with you because you lack a moral compass here.
Pedro: Either test everybody or nobody. And Pac and JMM are the same. There’s not one shred of evidence either one juiced. If physical appearance did constitute that, Pac would’ve been suspended for steroid use. But that “evidence” is absurd. Again, everybody or nobody. And “this is the biggest fight in the sport” makes no sense as an argument. Let everyone else cheat? This was NEVER an issue before this fight, and unsubstantiated rumors (which is all you’ve presented) don’t differentiate this from JMM. There’s either evidence, or there isn’t. That simple.
And James Toney tested positive for roids. That was after Ruiz (when he looked like a fat tub of lard), so the “physical appearance” is not a helpful argument.
I feel most “top” atlethes in major sports do take some form of steroids and the more strict the governing bodies of any sport become, the less action we’ll see. Just look what happened to baseball after it’s shake down, the sport went from guys hitting 70 plus homers to a more reasonable 35 to 40. If the NFL cracked down on it’s league they’d have to close up shop and if the UFC ever intensifies it’s testing there would be some serious layoffs there as well. In regards to Pac-Man’s refusal, I just hope Manny comes to his senses and allows the tests to be conducted. This is a mega fight for Boxing and the sports world in general and it sucks that this is the subject being discussed at the water coolers, but that’s the steroid plagued world of sport we’re involved in.
Oh, so this is the only fair fight you want, right? Because NO other fight has these tests. That’s my point. I do have a moral compass. Unsubstantiated rumors don’t differentiate Pac from every other fighter. Same rumors apply to Bolt; he isn’t tested extra in his sport. Same for Pujols. Same for Armstrong. Same for Hopkins (45-year-olds don’t look and fight like that!). (And no, I’m not accusing BHOP of juicing.)
Pedro,
Can these People understand the concept of taking steroids in cycles. And that it is why Olympic athletes are tested randomly even when they are not competing. No athlete with half a brain would get caught if they new the day their blood would be drawn. It’s why they do multiple random tests, to have the element of surprise.
Olympic style testing involves multiple randoms test during a specified period of time deemed reasonable by a commission or whoever is in charge of regulating testing the athletes.
Floyd Jr. said this to Kevin Iole today.
“I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don’t know anyone who really does,” Mayweather said in his statement. “But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same.
“It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night. I hope that this is either some miscommunication or that Manny will change his mind and step up and allow these tests, which were good enough for all these other great athletes, to be performed by US
Mr Pedro, are u an expert in drugs of any kind?Pacman did agree to have the testing done before the press release and after the fight…Testing after the fight is enough to clear out rumors against pacman…They can get the blood right after pacman fight,before he leaves the ring.Do u agree?
Last response as you Pacnuts are wearing me out. Look, the accusations is that he’s training on them. If I were clean, I would shut Mayweather down by taking the tests. You can cycle off certain drugs in a week I’ve been told.
Man, if some loudmonth chump accused me of taking steroids, and I wasn’t, I would take the tests and then shove the results in his face at each press metting, on 24-7, i’d turn this into a psycological ploy against Floyd. OF course, that if I was clean!
You’re done here on the subject guru. You are a blabbering Pacnut!
Since we’re accusing people based on looks, assumption, and achievements – I nominate Bernard Hopkins as a candidate for steroid use. He’s gotten pretty large – check out his head sometime! Gone up in weight (may go to heavyweight) and is still fighting in his mid forties.
Also, here are some notable fighters who’ve used the juice: Holyfield, Mosley, Toney, Vargas, Roy Jones.
Pedro: Accusations were going on even when it was thought Olympic testing would occur. If someone accused me, I’d tell them to prove it or shove it.
Again, why should Pac be treated differently from every other fighter? You can’t offer a reasoned answer. The best is that unfounded allegations have been made against him. That is about as weak as it gets. Same applies to Hopkins; he’s treated no differently.
Gayweather just shows he is afraid of pacman…They want to get the blood from pacman one day b4 the fight….There are no difference of taking the blood one day after the fight(w/c roach just agreed) from one day b4 the fight..They just want to weaken pacman during the fight…They are cowards and doesn’t want the fight…They will do all means to take advantage on pacman just like they did to Marquez….Gayweather is coward,coward!!!!!!
Shit, this isn’t about these other guys. This is 2009 and the man in the mirror is Manny Pacquiao..and his followers..U all have swallowed the blood test Kool Aid, just as I expected. If I was clean, I’d humiliate Floyd with his lies.
i dont know man… this is gonna give pac a bad look no matter what… i just dont get it…. if there was nothing to hide then why not agree…. ?? amd if he was confident he can beat floyd then why not take the test, beat flloyd, and laugh at him later… and im not pac hater hell i hate dislike floyd more than manny…… it just doesnt make sense.. someone accuses u of doping and you say that is ridiculous then why not prove how ridiculousit is..??
“The man in the mirror” in every other sport (baseball, football, golf, racing–yes, they have tests–cycling, the Olympics, etc.) is tested NO differently than anyone else in the respective sports. No reason Pac should be different.
“If Pacquiao won’t sign a contract under these terms, it certainly proves, that his blood is not clean.”
Spadafora: This does not prove that Pacquiao is on steroids. If you really believe that, then you need to be glad you’re not on trial for anything — cause yo’ ass would be in PRISON right now without substantial evidence. I’ve said it MANY times before on this site: With the kind of “evidence” brought up by those who have been accusing Pacquiao, the case would be thrown out in court without a second thought. What YOU would do if accused is IRRELEVANT; sorry, buddy, but as a practicing attorney I’ll tell you that WHAT YOU WOULD DO does not constitute evidence. And be glad for that — else this TYPE of “evidence” be used AGAINST you someday.
I agree with BoxingGuru — let’s wait for the evidence to turn up. You guys are such Pac-Haters you’re getting impatient. If Pac is guilty I’m sure it will surface. Summed up by BoxingGuru: “With Pac, the only “evidence” is that he’s doing historical things.” Y’all are wound up a little too tight — let’s wait for something a little more substantial, folks!
from ALG united……
Ok you tell me, what’s the diffrence between a blood test a day before the fight and a blood test a day after the fight for a drug test? Roach clearly said that they are willing to subject manny to the blood test right after the fight because doing it a day before will only weaken manny, and manny, a brawler/puncher, needs that 100% strength for his power punches to be effective. And you will say, wtf they are both subjecting themselves to the same test so what’s the problem?! But the difference is, floyd is a deffensive fighter, he don’t need raw power to win his fights, he’s happy with a decision win.. And i said this before, floyd is a cheating bastard. He did it with marquez, luring juan to come up 2divisions making marquez slow and fat while he weighed in at his comfortable weight of 146lbs. Now he’s doing it again with manny.
“Shit, this isn’t about these other guys. This is 2009 and the man in the mirror is Manny Pacquiao..and his followers..U all have swallowed the blood test Kool Aid, just as I expected. If I was clean, I’d humiliate Floyd with his lies.”
The Mayweathers win the steroid mind games hook, line, and sinker. There’s more to a fight than just being strong, after all. I remember a boxing trivia article that says that a boxer outright lied to another boxer that he’s sleeping with his wife. At the fight, the boxer that lied won because the other boxer was angry to the point of being distracted. This is just like the Tito Trinidad hand wrap thing as well. It’s Boxing 101, and regardless of how dirty it is, I’m impressed with what the Mayweathers have done. I’m very, very impressed indeed.
What is all this about?
Aparently the contract for the March 13th fight has been signed, or at least all the terms have been agreed to. If the terms of the contract stipulate that some or other specific type of drug testing be mandatory, then that is the way it will be. If the Olympic style tests are not a part of the contract, then there should be no discussion on this subject. The normal obligatory tests have been deemed good enough for every other fight, why not this one? I see no reason in the world why Pacquio should agree to this Mayweather whim (ploy?).
Let`s rewind: Mayweather, fearless, claims that Pacquiao who has been KOed and has a couple of draws is not a worthy opponent for him (boy! talk is cheap!) Now look at him clutching at straws, and bringing Pacquiao, indeed the whole sport of boxing, under suspicion. It seems that in Floyds mind Manny has gone from not being good enough to being too good (LMAO). He must know his O`s gotta go. I suppose something of this nature was only to be expected from the Pretty Boy who probably squirms at night at the thought of what his future holds.
As yet we have had no official statement from the Pacquiao camp and until we do it is probably best not to enter into wild speculations. However if Pedro`s article is true, it must be said that Pacquiao has dealt with this in a disasterous way which can only fire the rumors and really does leave us with doubts. But again, let`s wait till an official statement is issued.
Pacquiao must agree to the tests if they are a part of the contract and should simply refuse, no excuses, if they are not.
That`s all there is to it!
never even gave it a second thought, that manny was taking the juice, but now all the denials and refusing and discussion i wonder
Stupid pachaters…. they cant beat Pacman in the ring so they resort to below the belt tactic. The truth is Floyd is scared to death to fight Pacman nothing more nothing less. Floyd is just bluffing when he said after the Cotto fight that all Pacman has to say for the fight to happen is step up the plate. He challenge Pacman to a fight on March 13 knowing that its too close but Pacman accepted the challenge and now Floyd mired in no win situation coz he is afraid his ass will be kick by Pacman is now looking for a way out. Common Pedro, lick the ass of Floyd.
Mr. Pedro… what is something that cannot be seen 24 hours before the fight as against 5 minutes after the fight. Can you please cite even just one medical expert who says there is. Pacman is not against drug test but he wants it to be conducted before the promotional tour and immediately after the fight. Floys says he is the best fighter in the world and Floyd Sr. says no way can Pacman beat L’Floyd. Stupid monkeys, if that is so why not fight Pacman? If not, then truely Floyd is a coward.
Pacquiao accept to be tested even with the random urine test though he refuses to be drawn of blood during training there’s difference from what the article is implying. Relax, Pacquiao will accept this test but of course if mayweather’s clan will make it worthwhile maybe giving Pacquiao the bigger purse or something just like with the catch weight for Cotto. I guess some still can’t figure out the back and forth negotiations of this big fights… it won’t be an easy go just like that, common think a little.
Aversion to needles ummm no PAC has multiple tattoos!!! Next Bs excuse please…..
Mayweather is looking for a way out but I agree Manny should take the tests and humiliate loud moth PBF.
Every fight fan wants to see this fight. Every fair fan wants all tests to be done in order to guarantee a fair fight. But do we really need to look at Floyd Mayeweather Sr as the authourity of steroid use? This man is a rambling near puch drunk idiot. Have you heard this guy speak? PleaseI According to him he is the greatest trainer of all time. Nuff said. His credibility as an authoiryty of this subject makes me laugh. Ditto Mr. Cintron. I am a boxing fan. I would cheer for Pacman (sans performance enhancers) but think Mayweather will win. I, like many just want to see it. Saying no to any tests is BS for sure, but lets not use Floyd Sr’s obvious bias as an authority, besides sounding like a guy who has spent too much time near the microwave, remember how much he helped his fighter Ricky Hatton when he was ko’d. Floyd Jr acts like an ass cos he comes from an ass.
Hey guys,I think all championship fights in all weight class’s should be subject to these type of tests. The money these guys are making at this level warrents this type of scrutiny.There is more to it than just buying a ticket, you have travel expenses and meals plus hotel cost, it adds up to a lot of money.It would be nice to know that everthing is on a level playing field.I dont care about any other sports, after all , boxing is still the only sport were you can only drink water in between rounds. Lets keep it basic and fair
Hey Pedro, how about posting some before and after pics so I can view each boxer that’s being targeted. (Hopkins, Roy, Mayweather, PacMan, Toney, Jones and Mosely)
The Mayweathers are hellbent on getting the odds stacked up against Pacquiao, DelaHoya & Schaefer are doing their darn best that their ward has all the advantages! I think the next thing they will ask is Manny to fight Floyd with his one hand tied behind his back! This cherrypicking coward is using everything to wiggle out of the fight, and this dumb Pedro is buying the Mayweathers hook, line and sinker! Boo Hoo Pedro,your never gonna earn the money that Pacquiao has earned whatever you do your just gonna be the jealous little bitch that you are!
I think Pedro is just mad his compa Miguel Cotto got whooped by PAC. I dont have a problem at all with PAC taking test after fight, If he’s taking something, it would appear on this blood test. Fighters believe different stuff, like doing a certain routine, or like Marquez drinking piss cuz it made him think it was helping him get stronger. Same thing for PAC, he has a superstition.
LOL… JIM SPAIN, agree with you. LICK IT PEDRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Manny will lose a lot of respect from boxing fans if he doesn’t adhere
The problem here is that most of you don’t understand the concept of Olympic style tests.
The test will be given by the (USADA) United States Anti Doping Association. They set the rules, not Manny’s team or Floyd’s team. This is a separate institution. The tests are random for a reason. It’s not just tests before the fight, it might be random tests during training or at any given time they deem reasonable within teh 3 month period (Jan-Mar). All Olympics athletes are tested this way.
I think within a 3 months Period the USADA could test each fighter 5-7 times, including during training, weeks before the fight, days before the fight,maybe after the fight. Whatever they deem reasonable.
Look, if you want to question the intregrity of the USADA, than that’s another subject. However, Top Rank is powerful enough to make sure there is fair play in these tests, as is GBP.
The USADA would administer tests if the contract were signed. Top Rank can lose in court if they agreed to these tests and are backing out now.
One has to admit Pacman was set up perfectly by Floyd team. Floyd went on The Joe Buck show on HBO and said that one punch could end the life of any fighter. Floyd basically wants to make sure that if Pacman lands that punch, at least the Pacman was clean of steroids. I am sure Floyd could live with that.
Roy Jones tested positively for steroids in the pasts, so did Vargas and that was just using urine sample. Boxing is just like any other sport where is you can get an edge without being caught you take it. Why are we being so naive here, just take the tests and be done with.
The only reason Pac doesn’t want to test is that either he’ll get caught or he’ll be forced to not dope up due to the tests which will render him an easy kill for Mayweather. There are no other reasons, PERIOD.
Pac fans are at the same level of denial of Obama fans it seems.
I think this is simple Pac Man agreed to an immediate blood test after the fight so whats the problem if he happens to whip pretty boy takes a blood test in the locker room AND!!! if it comes out positive for some banned substance the decision will be reversed and Mayweather will still be undefeated and Pac Man image will be destroyed.I think this is just to hype the fight .It is already a shame this fight is going to be at the MGM Grand instead of Cowboy Stadium.
Pedro can you please break down for a simpleton like myself how they make more at the mgm grand than cowboy stadium.
The simple solution is to adhere to the test, in that way if Manny beats Money then the boxing loving public can truly point to Money and pull a Tarver “any excuses left”; but if Manny refuses it leads a lot of us to beleive that something is rotten; Money already agreed to the strict tests so obviously he does not have anything to hide, the only reason Manny is scrutinized is because the way he carried is frame from 108 to 147 with no issues to power & speed and he was able to take some punishing shots from Cotto, a true welterweight
Troof
why would manny want his blood drawn during training, this will weaken him & mayweather both. Why hasnt mayweather asked for this before, come on man. I am not a big Manny fan, but i do give respect where it is due.
from ALG united……
Ok you tell me, what’s the diffrence between a blood test a day before the fight and a blood test a day after the fight for a drug test? Roach clearly said that they are willing to subject manny to the blood test right after the fight because doing it a day before will only weaken manny, and manny, a brawler/puncher, needs that 100% strength for his power punches to be effective. And you will say, wtf they are both subjecting themselves to the same test so what’s the problem?! But the difference is, floyd is a deffensive fighter, he don’t need raw power to win his fights, he’s happy with a decision win.. And i said this before, floyd is a cheating bastard. He did it with marquez, luring juan to come up 2divisions making marquez slow and fat while he weighed in at his comfortable weight of 146lbs. Now he’s doing it again with manny.
I love Pac but this looks terrible!
For the most part most will agree that the state of boxing needs to be improved. At least the majority of boxing writers I read admit this. For one I believe this is a step in the right direction. If the face of other sports including golf have to do it, then mayweather and paq should do it. Boxing Guru very simply Mayweather is trying to get in the head of Paq it’s a ploy very simply anyone can see that. The fact that is coming up now and not in other fights does not matter. I think for this or any other fight is a good idea and change may come of it and that may be mayweathers greatess act in boxing however selfish his act may be. What is important is that pac is in a quandary, and what he does next will be observed very closely. I think that accepting this will be very courageous and both fighters will go down as true history makers as the first to do so. If Paq backs out of it it does create huge suspicion. Which is the position Schaeffer wants him in; a fighter needing to defend his reputation. Neither Paq or Arum are mad about the testing. Arum is mad he didn’t think of it first.
PEDRO FERNANDEZ..ANSWER ME THIS.
WHY should pac give a crap about what predator mayweather is accusing him of or Kermit krab. Im sure pac isnt the first fighter to be accused of taking steroids & you didnt see anyone else have to agree to olympic style test to prove em wrong. Plain & simple, Mayweather needs Manny not the other way around. Manny is already great without mayweather. He’s beaten legends on even terms & even went above his weight limits & did to oscar & hatton & COTTO(TU PAISANO)what no one else could. Who has mayweather beaten, of the same stature as the barreras, morales, marquez, cotto. No one, last fight he had all the advantages againt marquez & he still wanted another last advantage of being the WAY bigger man by atleast 10 15 pounds. Mayweather said no one can F**k with him, well lets see it, quit the bs ing test that have never been required before & fight. His name is “Money” why wouldnt he want to make this fight happen. This is not on Manny, hes agreed to the test, just not during training.
Baseless acusations. I don’t think he’s doping, there is no evidence, and no one else has to submit to such testing. I think it’s a non issue. Just sign the fight already. Or don’t and fight someone else. Shane Mosley won’t make Pac take a test to fight.
I bet Mosley will ask for the test now….in fact anyone that is going to fight Pacman should demand that he get Olympic style tested.
Manny should just take the test and get it over with. The reason Mayweather is seeking a test at this time is because Manny is a ‘very’ accomplished fighter; steroids or not. Athletes are always looking for an edge over the competition. The edge could be psychological, spirtual or physical. I want to see this fight regardless of whatever is in Pacquiao’s body.
Bottom line is that if pacman is NOT doping, there are valid arguments to agree and to disagree with the blood tests. But, why make such a big deal about NOT agreeing to it? It would seem a lot easier to accept the stipulation as a part of the big $$ contract and consider the upside of being cleared of these rumors once and for all. The fact that he doesn’t want to take the tests within 30 days leaves some continued doubt. Arum and pacfans are saying that he’s never tested positive and the NSAC urine tests are sufficient. Yet, I can’t recall Mosely EVER testing positive using those same approved tests. Yet, he is an admitted user???? I just don’t see if he wasn’t doping, what the issue would be to take the opportunity to eliminate past and present assumptions. It seems like a lot to give up for a matter of principle. It’s puzzling to me why anyone would be so shocked that the general public is curious how a guy that started at 109 and is now destroying guys at 147 with a physique that is a complete transformation from what he started in the limelight with. It reminds me of how Barry Bonds’ fans were arguing the same thing. There is no doubt that Manny has transformed. But, does that mean he’s doping? No… but, WHY NOT TAKE THE CHALLENGE? Confusing to me…
Ride does have a point…. no other fighters are subjected to such testing so why should Pacman?If Nevada wants to change their rules in testing so be it, but I feel this notion that because the fight is so big that in this case more testing is required is crazy. If they want to change the standardization of testing for boxing they should do it if the current system is inadequate. I just don’t think it’s fair to do it this time and then later go back to the previous methods of testing. In the Mayweather’s eye’s the current system obviously is ineffective, and they must believe that further testing is required for a level playing field….so if this fight does happen I want to see Floyd make this mandatory for all of his future opponents to be fair. The accusations just aren’t fair considering the guy has tested positive. If he was fighting, Mosely that would be another story and he’d have a better leg to stand on here. Just cause Pac crushed two opponents that Floyd went rounds with doesn’t merit an accusation of steroid use without any facts.
Next I am waiting for Manny to do a Sammy Sosa in front of congress: Huh mi no habla english”
There is no reason for Manny not to take the test unless he has something to hide! I mean Mike Phelps and Usain Bolt both have been destroying fields and recoerd in their respective sports and they are both tested on the regular with no problem. So don’t give me that BS about Manny being weakened by the blood being drawn or he has a phobia of needles (but i have a ton of tatoos! GTFOOH). Pacman fans need to man up call like it is, because Where there is Smoke, there is Fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Gayweathers are celebrating now, coz the fight won’t happen. Chicken Floyd can now sleep in peace.
Kevin, we know NOW that Mosley juiced for De La Hoya II. Victor Conte of BALCO labs, he designed the Steroids Mosley used. Conte feels it was his potion that allowed Shane to recover quicker, having much more oxygen than De La Hoya, his reason for Shane winning.
Isn’t that PROOF enough that the Nevada Athletic Commission’s Steroid testing methodology has ALREADY been beaten? Laugh of the day: Did you see Senor Felon, Bob Arum backpedal on this today. I was laughing my ass off reading Arum’s dribble. that Manny (they) were only objecting to the testing facility. Instead of going with the US Anti Doping Agency, Arum wanted to go with the folks that test major league baseball (are you laughing out loud yet?)
Stranger than fiction is Bob Arum.
Boxing Guru…
Apologists like you are a large part of the reason PED abuse has become as rampant a problem as it is today.
I would LOVE to be proven wrong only YOU will never be in a position to do so. No matter how many apologetic, sympathetic to PED abusing athletes posts you ever post here or anywhere else.
Manny can shut my ass up in a second… The ball is in his court, not mine and I’d love for HIM to prove me wrong and shut me up… With due respect to you, I really don’t care about your obvious desire to protect an athlete’s right to abuse PEDs when you ask me to prove something because I’ve been on both sides of this issue and you obviously haven’t.
I’ve been to the places and I’ve talked to the people. A lot of good, concerned, people in this business who ARE “In The Know” were telling me about this nightmare in private conversations nearly ten years ago. People who were Trainers or Strength and Conditioning Coaches of World Champions… I respect their input far more than your response to me… Sorry.
Try to have a blood test, then, have a full scale sex the following day. What could be the result?
And who knows? In the end, this is simply a strategical ploy by Manny’s camp in order to have Floyd caught by surprise!
Let me say at the start, I, like most people, have absolutely no proof that Manny is doping. Floyd Mayweather, Sr. has no proof that Manny is doping. However, does the lack of proof mean that Manny should not submit to the testing that the Mayweather camp is asking that both fighters be subjected to?
Did Mosley’s trainer have proof that Margarito was “padding” his gloves before he discovered that Margarito was, in fact, padding his gloves?
Do you need proof of possible cheating before you ask that both fighters, I repeat both fighters, submit themselves to greater scrutiny?
Jack Dunne: “Between now and then, Manny takes these tests or he can just admit what I and pretty much everyone with a two eyeballs and a functioning brain already knows has been going on for some time now.”
Wow, pretty hard choices you leave for Manny. Either he take the test or he’s a steriod user! If he takes the test and passes, what does that say about your eyes and the functioning of your brain?
gayweather draw the first blood.10-8
“BoxingGuru?” Oh, you mean the clown that use to hide under the name “Gilberto_Roman?” Yes, please shut this guys IP down.
Pedro,
I am not sure the tests Floyd wants would’ve caught Shane, either. Second, you’d have a better argument if you wanted all fighters to go through these tests. That’s consistent. I have no problem with that. What Kevin and I have a problem with is one standard of testing for this fight and another standard for every other fight. There’s one standard for MLB, the NFL, the Olympics, etc. In boxing, there should be the same. That’s not what’s going on here.
And Floyd knew about Shane’s use when he agreed to the JMM fight with NSAC testing, so he was willing to accept it then. Nothing has changed. Again, one standard for all. That simple. There’s no disparity in any other sport; there shouldn’t be here.
MegaTorres: No, you’re missing the point. ALL golfers, NFL players, etc. are subject to the same testing. GBP isn’t asking for this for any other fight.
Declining to defend oneself/disprove a baseless charge does not make the charge legitimate. That burden rests with its proferrer.
Working on it.
dude, you should get your facts straight before you bash the p4p champ. Manny AGREED to have his blood drawn on january, and another one in feb, as well as minutes right after the fight. and please … stop calling the guy who passed all 10 Nevada drug tests a “cheat”. have you seen Pacquiao accusing Mayweather of using roids just because he hasn’t lost a fight before? but now that Pac is having straight wins, they think that he’s on roids? it’s called Olympic style testing for a reason, because its for amateurs. we’re talking about PROFESSIONAL boxing here. it has been used for years and was good enough to detect and catch those who are using the drug. but now that mayweather is the one who is going to step on the plate, all of a sudden, the urine test is no longer good enough. pft!
1200 Techs… Like I said before… PLEASE prove me wrong.
I WANT to be made an idiot!
Take the damn tests and do it… PLEASE!
Floyd Mayweather’s Objective:
To get out of the fight and make it look like Manny Pacquiao was the one who did not want to fight!!!!!
Floyd Mayweather’s OTHER Objective:
To be remembered by boxing historians as the Fighter of the Decade by discrediting all of Manny Pacquiao’s historic victories!!!!!
Congratulations Floyd Mayweather for beating Manny Pacquiao in the collective history of boxing. Congratulations on mission accomplished.
Those who predicted Mayweather would win were right. The tragic part was he DESTROYED Manny Pacquiao without even throwing a single punch.
In terms of risk and reward, this is the greatest victory in the history of boxing. Sun Tzu said that the great strategist wins a war without a battle. Congratulations Floyd Mayweather!!!
General Douglas MacArthur won by NOT FIGHTING the Japanese by using “Island Hopping”. Mayweather beat Pacquiao without fighting.
What a shame!!!! Manny Pacquiao got mugged fighting the WRONG fight. He was naively and like a total sucker fighting the negotiation war. Mayweather knew exactly what he was doing: To discredit Manny Pacquiao and become fighter of the decade. Unfortunately, history will judge him as the man that chickened out for being scared of a drug test.
Once again. Congratulations to Floyd Mayweather for winning the war. A war Pacquiao didn’t even know he was in. What a victory this is for Floyd Mayweather.
Pedro,
I just read the news and am stunned, but please don’t shut down the Guru. He is showing what a true hypocrite he is (example: The “new” weight limit imposed on Cotto @145. I said Pac was changing the rules, the Guru said Cotto didn’t have to accept. Fine, but now Pac is not accepting and we have to question why. Guru then accuses PBF of changing the rules and asks why he can do it, when Pac did it too.) and I still haven’t finished my last arguement with him. It is now clearly obvious he is a Pac nut, and his purpose for being here is not for Boxing, but for Pac. He does not seek the truth, merely rhetoric for his hero. Guru, gimme a bit more time and I’ll answer you.
DA SKERGE
I get tired of the BS Skerge. So tired of it!
Pedro,
I hear you. Do what you must. Arum is now slandering the USADA, and saying that the MLB, NBA, and NFL testing is better and more appropriate. Arum needs to be taken out of boxing already. That should be the mission of every true boxing fan.
DA SKERGE
Oh, Skerge, just to clarify something: Commissions have let fighters fight over weight, ring size, gloves (within rules–heavies can’t wear 6-ouncers, for instance) and purse splits. When has a commission EVER let the fighters pick the kind of drug testing that would be done?
Here’s a nuance for you (look it up along with the word “tuneup” and the word “hypocrisy”):
EVERY contract has to be approved by the state athletic commission. I wonder if the NSAC will approve a contract that says, in effect, that their testing isn’t good enough.
That’s an angle that hasn’t even been discussed. The NSAC has been silent because there’s no contract that’s been submitted for their mandatory approval. But I’m sure they’d ask the fighters why their tests were good enough 1 and 3 months ago, respectively.
I don’t think they’ll be satisfied with the answer:
“Well, uh, Floyd Sr. and Kermit say Pac’s juicing!”
Word of advice: Don’t piss off a state athletic commission; it can make your life hell (waaaaaaay worse than a sanctioning org, which hardly anyone cares about anyway).
There’s a little logic and nuance for you. Enjoy.
Oh, Christ, here come the lawyers!
Just so everyone is clear, the lawsuit is unlikely to succeed. In 1964, the United States Supreme Court ruled in New York Times v. Sullivan that public figures do not have the same protection as private individuals. So long as you aren’t lying about a public figure, you can pretty much say anything you like (aside from, say, threats of violence).
Skerge,
Since you’re soooo concerned about hypocrisy (even accusing me of it when my position’s absolutely, 100% consistent), you might be interested in a “li’l” research done by J. Michael Falgast of USA Today.
It seems that, just last year, a certain somebody said that a certain fighter would only submit to the tests required by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
That somebody was…wait for it…Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer. The fighter in question was…drumroll please…admitted steroid user Shane Mosley!
That’s right, Skerge. Zab Judah (with a hell of a lot more justification than “Li’l Floyd” has) wanted Mosley to be blood tested.
But Schaefer specifically said that Mosley was not a cheater (bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!) and that he wouldn’t allow Shane to be treated like one.
Hmmm…last year, no blood testing. This year, we need blood testing! LOL!
Now, Skerge, that’s “hypocrisy.”
Hammer…nail…coffin.
And Skerge, there’s no “Olympic” testing for Mosley (again, an admitted steroid user) against Andre Berto. Sorry, but I have a problem when a fighter is being asked to submit to testing used for no other fight–including one involving a confirmed steroid user!
Like I said, one test for all. One fighter’s safety isn’t more important than another’s. The 15-15 journeyman is entitled to the same safety standards as Pac and Floyd.
Regardless of whether you’re a Mayweather or Pac guy:
Arum is and has been a disgrace to the sport. He’s everything I can’t stand about lawyers… and I’m a lawyer.
For him to call acts of others an “absolute outrage,” etc. would make me laugh if it wasn’t so sad. His rhetoric is as transparent as it gets.
Enough of him already, with Pavlik and Pacquiao.
I just wrote about him last month with “Downside of Pacquiao-Cotto.” He was riding high b/c of that event, but I knew that his garbage wasn’t far off.
If this fight doesn’t come off, any party at fault needs to be crucified.
I had a friend who used to get a weekends pay to take experimental drugs.
Would you take some blood to make millions of dollars? I know I would.
What sort of detriment would testing cause? If you can get tested and break a world record what kind of harm would a little pin prick cause?
It looks very fishy.
merry christmas pedro and ringtalk family
Isn’t Arum the same guy that defended Margarito after being caught red handed?
People acting as Many’s lawyers need to relax, as your not getting a dime.
Take a page out Lance Armstrong. The French wanted him to take tests, and was subjected to blood, hair, and urine tests every day of the competition, and still freakin won bitches!!!
If he was truly clean, he would have responded in the same manner.
“Hammer…nail…coffin.”
Classic Gilberto_Roman line. I remember this clown used to insist he showed no bias for Pac while everyone laughed at him. Now even Pedro has outed him as a Pac Nut in this thread. Well at least he can’t taint the name of a deceased fighter anymore by signing his BS posts with that name.
While aspiring to be that writer that finally gets the credit due, remember every detective still needs facts and some of your core readship won’t overlook that point. But if you are relying on sensationalism to drum up interest, then you nailed it, you don’t need ‘em.
The Pacman steroids novelty remains on Pedro’s radar…his interest in it compels him to thrust it upon his readership. The facts have little to do with it. There aren’t any. Heightened sensationalism is driving it. Don’t like it? Then go to a purely fact-based boxing web site that reports fight outcomes and upcoming fight schedules without the drama, but you’d have to do without this the boxing banter and bickering from that can only be found in a forum like this. Gotta love it.
Have to wonder if Pedro believes half the stuff he writes. In trying to sound clever, the result isn’t always a smooth read, but the chief sure knows how to rile ‘em up.
BrianG,
Merry Christmas. I agree 100% that Arum’s a lowlife scumbag (as are all promoters IMHO–a “necessary evil”).
Of course, Don “Kioller” King is the worst…but I still agree with your Arum sentiments.:)
Pirate: But do you have millions? Again, you’re mixing apples and oranges here. You’re saying that Pujols should be tested differently from the last guy on the Pirates (sorry, Brian!:)). We want steroids gone for safety reasons, right? I agree with that 100%. If so, do the test uniformly; don’t pick one fight to do it. That continues to be my problem here. Those world record holders you mention are tested the same as the last-place runners in the race.
If this test is proper, change testing across the board, not just for one fight.
And sorry, but the “if you have nothing to hide” argument is about as weak as it gets. Go read the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to our Constitution.
“Guru”,
Here is the cold hard TRUTH for you. The NSAC won’t care for the same reason Cotto agreed to fight below the WW limit, MONEY! Would you have everyone believe the NSAC is going to give a damn, when Millions of $ would pour into Vegas? You need to do more research. Schaefer is not Floyd’s promoter, and Floyd asked for the testing. Again, Floyd asked for the testing, so who cares what Schaefer wanted for Mosley (someone who Schaefer represents). If you’re soooo concerned about Berto (and the Sport), then why not call him and his promoter, and have them ask for the testing.
Nokao, you’re right! Arum is the same “guy” that defended the cheat Margarito. He also stands behind Chavez Jr. who was caught with a “Steriod masking agent”, and he was caught bribing the IBF so his fighters can move up in their rankings. Freddy Roach is also a trainer whose fighter James Toney, was caught using steriods in a title fight.
What now “Guru”? Are you going to be a hypocrite and say Floyd has no reason to not trust either Arum or Roach? Anyone who claims they want boxing “cleaned up” should not trust Arum for any reason. Now, we can question Roach too, right “Guru”?
Hammer…nail…coffin.
Merry Christams!
DA SKERGE
Didnt even cross my mind that Pac was on roids. I thought it was his weak opposition that let him win the titles. If he refuses these tests then public opinion will be that he did roid up. Smart move by mayweather and his team! pbf is a punk but he sure nailed pac with this one. Take the damn test. Pac always asking for demands like fighting for the title at 145 when cotto didnt want to fight for the title. Way to go pac u cheater! Bonds never tested positive but we know he was using now it seems like pac did too.
Wont pbf also get taken blood out the day of the fight? its not like only pac will be getting tested. Love how all the pac fans jump to his rescue! y wont he do it he is gonna make at least 20 million.
Pedro, how long now have you been involved with or writing about the sport of boxing. I believe over 20 years. Since when does the challenger/opponent put down the rules or get them changed. The Champ and his promoter “Make the Calls” not his opponent for crying out loud. Since when do boxers have the authority to change the commission rules, concerning anything, much less drug testing. Mayweather is playing second-fiddle and can not stand it. This fight is most assured about the $$ to be made BUT “EGOS” play a close second to that. I side with Pac & Arum, who the heck is Floyd and Daddy to set down the guidelines as an opponent, yep, Floyd you are just the opponent, at least this time… I take Manny (distance bout) or Mayweather goes down for the count (unless he again wears his track shoes)……
Skerge,
Arum is doing what he should have been all along–in effect telling Floyd that, if the commission wants blood testing, Pac’ll do it.
Of course, the commission would make that (have to, that is) a universal rule–one fight wouldn’t be “exempted” from drug testing norms.
Also, Skerge, you might be interested to know how Dan Rafael described Richard Schaefer in his latest article:
“said Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, who is REPRESENTING [emphasis mine] Mayweather”
Hmmm…yeah…Schaefer has been the GBP guy doing most of the talking about Mayweather’s position.
Now, Skerge, you admitted that Schaefer “represents” Mosley. You try to differentiate Mayweather by saying “Schaefer is not Floyd’s promoter”.
But Schaefer has referred to Floyd as “a client.”
Now, Skerge, would you like to be made to look even more foolish, or can you now accept that there isn’t one bit of difference between Schaefer’s relationship (”representing”) Mosley and his relationship with Mayweather, who is, to use his words, a “client?”
Again, I ask:
NSAC testing was fine for Floyd when he fought JMM. Why not now? Simple question.
No evidence JMM was juicing.
No evidence Pac is.
“Kermit thinks so” is NOT evidence.
Some simple logic for you.
Ah, now team Floyd is backing off the USADA demand. Kind of hard to demanxd one agency conduct tests when you’ve been perfectly happy for another agency for EVERY OTHER FIGHT.
But Floyd might be too late; Arum’s now saying that Pac will only comply with NSAC requirements.
Pac is winning this battle. Know how I know? Because Floyd’s backing down. Now Pac’s mounting the pressure.
Floyd’s going to have a pretty hard time explaining (throwing Pac critics’ argument right back in their faces) while he’ll throw away $30 million or whatever it is down the drain because Pac refuses to take a test that Floyd wasn’t even demanding three months ago.
wow Pedro well you think Im some regular pactart but Im here to blast your biased web site…
Just last year, Golden Boy Promotions was against blood testing when one of its fighters, Shane Mosley, was asked to submit to it for a fight in Las Vegas.
Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer told AP at the time that he’d consent to whatever testing that was required by Nevada State Athletic Commission and nothing more. The NSAC tests urine before and after fights but not blood at random like the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.
“Whatever tests they want them to take, Shane will submit to that. We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires,” Schaefer said. “The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one.”
Judah wanted testing immediately on Mosley as well as right before and after the bout. Judah was injured before the fight could take place and it was cancelled.
Try to sell both sides and be unbiased… I dont know if links are allowed thats why the cut/paste. I like this web site but I dont like too much anti pac or too much anti floyd.. Journalism is a dying profession cuz peoples feelings of someone else get in the way!
Robert,
Just look at the bright bulb otherwise known as Skerge.
You see, Schaefer “represents” Mosley, but he “is not Floyd’s promoter.”
LOL!
Or how about the “he’s afraid because Arum fighters are cheaters” crap when Floyd fought Gatti (promoted by roider Vargas’s promoter) and Marquez (promoted by GBP–with Steroid Shane as one of its partners).
Yep, that’s the logic we’re dealing with here.
But Pac’s winning this one, no doubt about it. I know this because (1) Floyd is slowly backing down (kinda hard to explain why one test was good enough three months ago but isn’t now) and (2) Pac’s setting the ddeadlines now. Notice Floyd’s “it’s non-negotiable” has gone by the wayside?
So, Robert, that’s the kind of belief system we’re dealing with here.
In any sport in today’s world if you show dramatic improvement over a short period of time…roid use comes into play…..Hence why the IAAF ordered Castor Sememnya to undergo gender tests—the only reason was fast improvement
JMM was/is not ripped as hell as he moves up in weight. He still looks in great shape and strong but not chiseled like Manny. Look at the Mayweather fight, you can see that the extra weight shows in his stomach and muscle mass.
Manny: Big head, no body fat (as he moves up in weight), gets hit fkn hard by legitimate 140, 147 pound fighters and does not even buckle…hmmmmmm??? Forgot the popped ear drum by Cotto’s left hooks while Manny just laid back in the ropes as if he was the bigger stronger man….hmmmmmm???
I understand that Manny doesn’t want to test and mostly for the purpose of not letting Mayweather dictate the rules for the fight, but if he wants to prove all the rumors wrong than just do it, Mayweather is willing to do the same. What’s going to happen if this circus continues is that eventually the boxing public is going demand the testing not only the Mayweathers, and then Pac will eventually have to do it anyway. Just sign the damn contract already and start training for for a fight on March 13.
Uh, wrong. “It” was always either a male or a female. Gender doesn’t change sans an operation. The comparison is absurd. Michael Jordan would be laughed at were he try to join a women’s basketball league. Obviously, Jordan’s a male.
And that olympic runner was a natural oddity (with both male and female…uh…components).
That analogy is way off here. With that runner, the issue was what “it’s” actual gender was.
It’s not like Pac’s trying to fight in women’s boxing.
So that example doesn’t come close to this situation.
What we have here (FACT) is that there is NOT ONE SHRED of evidence that Pac has done ANYTHING wrong. Sorry, but that’s just the way it is. Why isn’t B-HOP asked to take these tests? A guy that was KD’d twice and barely drew with Segundo Mercado fighting like this? (Note: There’s no evidence BHOP has ever cheated.)
Same could be said of JMM.
NOT ONE KO at 130, and then he KO’s two LW’s who’ve never been KO’d before?
See, we could play the same game for several elite fighters.
The NSAC can’t order Pac to take a test that NO OTHER FIGHTER is required to take.
And “Floyd’s doing it” is a non-response. I couldn’t care less what Floyd is doing ON HIS OWN. Fact is that Floyd’s not required to do it, just as with any other fighter. Same applies to Pac.
Oh, Skerge, you might be interested to know that the L.A. Times also described Richard Schaefer as “Mayweather’s promoter.”
Schaefer also conceded that the NSAC would not approve Floyd’s demands for random blood tests for one fight only. He tried to introduce the “weight penalty clause” red herring again.
Of course, there was a weight penalty clause in the JMM contract (which Floyd thumbed his nose at), yet there were no random blood testing demands.
Again, I ask: NSAC testing was acceptable to Floyd for the JMM fight. Why not now?
I can’t believe that NOT ONE media member has asked the Mayweather camp this question.
There’s no legitimate answer to it.
Mike: Don’t try the “appearance” B.S. Toney was a fatso and still tested positive v. Ruiz. You can’t say JMM isn’t juicing, just as I can’t say Pac isn’t, and blood tests wouldn’t “disprove’ it.
Why does Pac have to “disprove rumors?” How about the people who spread the rumors prove them?
Have they got any actual evidence? Nope.
NSAC testing was fine for Floyd/JMM; why not now?
” Im an american, and i hope america can support me just like our troops.” Mayweather on Buck Live. America is behind you FLOYD, just how they were there on the olympic games go FlOYD
Boxing Guru,
Actually, I think there is a legitimate answer: (1) Floyd did not and does not view JMM the same way he views Manny Pacquiao. The Manny Pacquiao that destroyed Cotto represents the biggest threat to Floyd to-date, and I say this as a dyed-in-the wool Mayweather fan. I think Team Mayweather wants to make certain that they will be “playing” on a level playing field.
Floyd likes playing it safe in the ring, but he loves money, and there is just too much money at stake for him to walk away from this fight. The talk of Floyd looking for a back door out of this fight is nonsense in my book.
(2) The Mayweather camp, I suppose, is suspicious that Manny Pacquiao walked through Cotto’s hooks to the head, that were devastating enough to bust Manny’s eardrum, yet Manny showed no ill effects of this during the fight.
None of what I’ve written should be taken to suggest that Manny is “enhancing”. My take on it is this, as long as Floyd is going to be subjected to the same testing rules as Manny, I say do it and bring this fight to fruition.
If, on the other hand, Manny’s camp is so principled that they would forego their biggest payday ever rather than submit to Mayweather’s demand, I can respect that too. I’d be a little suspicious, but I would respect his decision.
Finally, you don’t always need to see smoke to detect a fire: before Mosley’s trainer caught Margarito enhancing his gloves, nobody suspected him of cheating.
Mayweather has no problems with the random testing. Whats the hold up? lets get in the ring and settles this. The truth is starting to show, Manny was fighting 12 round tug of war decisions with Marquez at 130. Then steps in Alex Ariza, EVERY fight since then has been a blow out no matter how big or strong the opponent. NO FIGHTER has ever done this, not even ali, chavez, robinson, leonard, corrales, Marquez, NO ONE. I guess
Manny is just special. Oh yeah, one guy did something similar, Barry Bonds. I feel bad for the Manny Groupies, there blind devotion to there God is pathetic, and his humanity is starting to show. But the true boxing fans have there eyes wide open and don’t miss anything. Personally, I liked Manny more when he was human, he had some awesome fights. I also like Barry Bonds better when he was a 40-40 player, oh well.
Daniel: Records caught Bonds. Got any EVIDENCE on Pac?
And Daniel, did you see Chavez’s life-and-death struggle with Juan Laporte at 130? Or his unimpressive decision over Cabrera at that weight? 11 months after Laporte and 3 after Cabrera, he destroyed Edwin Rosario, one of the best fighters in the world, at 135. Guess JCC was juicing, right?
Altria,
1. Nice to see somebody else would respect Pac if he did take that stand.
2. Regarding Marg, point is that nobody accused him until there was evidence (the gloves). There’s not one shred on Pac. “He’s an all-time great” isn’t evidence.
3. Sorry, but that JMM explanation doesn’t wash. By that standard, any fighter could try to besmirch the name of any difficult opponent by expressing “suspicions” about roid use and demanding blood tests that aren’t demanded of inferior opponents who just as easily could’ve been roiding.
If blood tests are the way to go, make them across the board, but “suspicions” (sadly) can tarnish reputations in the minds of some. Mayweather could try the same crap with Williams, Berto, etc.
Mosley and Marg are different stories. They’re cheating scumbags who should be banned for life. I will not criticize Floyd if he refuses to fight them under any circumstances. Hope Marg never gets his license back. But they’re proven cheaters. When this story was written, there was not one shred of evidence against Pac, and there isn’t now.
According to FightNews, Pac’s urine sample is on its way to be tested as I write this.
Boxing Guru:
In Margarito’s case, Nazir Richardson detected the loaded hand-wrap while routinely witnessing Margarito getting his hands wrapped before the fight with Mosley. He was not necessarily suspicious prior thereto. Stated another way, he had no evidence that Margarito was cheating before he found out that Margarito was cheating.
For the sake of argument let’s say that the testing Floyd is requesting of Manny he should have also requested of every boxer he has ever fought, no exceptions. But, since he did not, would you, if you were advising Manny, tell him to not submit to the tests that Floyd is requesting and pass on the fight?
Altria: And nobody made charges against Marg before the cheating was discovered. If Pac fails a drug test, that’d be akin to Marg’s being caught with the loaded gloves. There’d be evidence, just like there was for Marg. That’s when the charges were rightly made. They weren’t made after the Cotto fight.
As for what I’d advise Pac, I’d say it’s his choice. Were I the one with the choice, I’d tell Floyd to go screw himself. Let Floyd explain why a testing protocol that was not objected to four months ago (when Olympic testing was certainly well-known) now leaves him with “doubts” over the “level playing field” in a fight with Pacquiao.
Ellerbe can explain why he “allowed” Floyd to fight JMM without these tests, but he won’t “allow” Floyd to fight Pac without them.
Not one shred of evidence against JMM. Not one shred against Pac.
And the “Pac’s killing the fight” line cracks me up. If Cotto had told Pac to go f*ck himself and said 147 or no go, how many people would’ve criticized him?
Like I said, make the tests across the board if they’re the proper method. (I’ve read contradicting views from experts on that.) But don’t (to Floyd’s camp–not you) play this innuendo game (listen to Floyd Jr.’s radio interview with “RA the Rug” and DLH’s Ring Blog comments).
If you have a charge to make, make it. Of course, when asked for evidence, like with JMM, there isn’t one shred.
“Guru”
First off you argue semantics. PBF stated that Mayweather Promotions is his promoter and GBP is negotiating on his behalf. Go ahead and think you’re winning too. As for “Why not ask JMM?”; why didn’t Pac ask for a million dollars for every lb. Diaz would be over? Why not ask Hatton for a catch weight like he did with Cotto? Answer the simple questions “Guru”. You said Floyd thinks he is bigger than boxing changing the rules. I say Pac changed the rules with the catch weight for a title with Cotto, and he is doing it again (as I predicted) with Clottey. At least the PBF rule change can benefit all of Boxing, while Pac is changing a rule to benefit himself. (I hate defending PBF by the way). Pac didn’t win, because PBF didn’t back down. He tried to negotiate and Arum and Roach wouldn’t, are they hiding something? You see, we are not in a court of law, we are in the court of public opinion. In this court, if you can prove yourself innocent but choose not to for whatever lame reason, people who think critically will question why. Why walk away from $30 million over a table spoon of blood every so often (or randomly with no notice)? A table spoon! Critical thinkers will ask why. Is he hiding something? Here’s another example. Jinkee (Pac’s wife) suspects that Pac slept with his movie co-star Kristin Ranillo. Jinkee tells Pac and the media she will confront Kristin at the movie premiere. Kristin does not show up to the Philippine blockbuster premiere staring Pac, so what does anyone with a half a brain think? She was banging Pac! Why, because if she didn’t bang Pac, she would have shown up, looked Jinkee in the eye and told her so. Make sense to you now? And the PBF contracted weight with JMM was 147. The “penalty” was for every lb over 144, so PBF did not break the “contracted” weight. Might have known that if you did your homework. When I brought up the Catch-weight issue with Cotto, you said the NSAC and sanctioning org was ok with it. To this day, the NSAC has not said that they opposed other additional tests. There have been many articles by credible sources (like the one by Dr. Goodman) that document the lax and inefficient testing by the NSAC. Here is one for you: http://www.braggingrightscorner.com/drgpeds010410.html
But you continue to be a Pac shill, and put him before the sport. Stand by your man “Guru”. Your rhetoric will only get you so far. Good luck with your aspirations of becoming a lawyer. How far along are you anyway?
DA SKERGE