WHY DO PEOPLE “HATE” (OR ENVY) FLOYD MAYWEATHER?

April 24th, 2012 By Pedro Fernandez

Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Will Never Happen

BRASH, BOLD, COCKY, RICH, THAT’S JUST A START

San Francisco, CA- There is nothing wrong with being bold and cocky. Especially if you can back it up! Floyd Mayweather is not favorite fighter, nor is he my favorite person. That being said, I am aghast at the negativity that is spewed when I mention his name. Be it on the radio, in print, or in social situations, all people want to do is harp over the fact Floyd has been a chump more than once in his life. Especially Filipinos, folks, it’s Manny Pacquiao, their sacred cow, he’s the one that has apparently fathered at least one child out of wedlock, is a notorious gambler, a man who got off on having a stable of chickens that he raised to fight to the death. Now he’s trying to say that he has joined the cult of “Born Again Christians.”

MAYWEATHER IS GUILTY OF ABUSE & OTHER OFFENSES

This is not a piece defending Floyd Mayweather, for I think he has proven over the years to be what can be best described as an asshole. Be it the Domestic Violence case that will put him in the Clark County Jail come the 1st of June, his kicking a downed man in a Grand Rapids, MI pool hall, or hitting somebody over the head with a champagne bottle in a Las Vegas tavern. In addition, Floyd has treated some people like shit. All that being said, it doesn’t take away from Floyd Mayweather the fighter and his 42-0 record. Some have accused him of cherry picking, and that he lost the first fight ten years ago this week with Mexican strongman Jose Luis Castillo at 135 lbs. He soundly beat Castillo in a rematch. Truth be told, a lot of you wouldn’t “know a left hook from a fish hook” and are novices when it comes to boxing knowledge.

ADDRESSING THE MANNY PACQUIAO FAN BASE


In the previous paragraph, the “novices” I was referring to are the hard line fans of Manny Pacquiao. Listen, he can’t walk on water, cannot part the sea, has done a lot of things that a man shouldn’t be proud of, and this should be a realization for his Kool Aid drinking admirers as well. He’s not undefeated; Manny’s been knocked out twice in his career, and has feasted on dead carcasses ever since taking out the already “done” piece of toast Marco Antonio Barrera. His reluctance to gamble with a cut eye in the first Erik Morales fight that to me illustrated that Manny didn’t have a full tank when it came to intestinal fortitude. If Barrera was “done” toast when Pacquiao thumped him, Erik Morales was “burnt” toast when he faced Pacquaio in the three occasions he did.

LAST PARAGRAPH ON PACQUIAO BEFORE THE ENDING

Manny Pacquiao has feasted on “dead men” at the weight since he left 130 lbs., something I think he did because the Filipino Congressperson (notice I did not say, Congressman) knew that Juan Manuel Marquez was the better of the two, thus why not fight David Diaz, a hapless lad whose biggest accomplishment in his pugilistic life was his garnering the WBC 135 lb. title. At 140, knocking out the face-first fighter Ricky Hatton was the only “real” accomplishment you can attribute to the Pacman this side of 130 lbs. Oscar De La Hoya and Miguel Cotto were “contracted” to be weight drained, as was human punching bag Antonio Margarito, when all three men agreed to fight Pac at unnatural weights. Joshua Clottey fought “handcuffed,” Shane Mosley, formerly “Sugar” and now “Splenda,” whose naturally sweet days have come and go.

BACK TO MAYWEATHER THE FIGHTER

Citing the Jose Luis Castillo first fight as Floyd’s low point shows how limited your boxing acumen is. When Floyd faced Carlos Hernandez at 130 in May 2001, Mayweather was whining, wincing, almost crying over the pain his hands were causing him. On that night, Floyd Mayweahter came as close to losing a professional than he ever has, for he was ready to quit. Had “Famouso” Hernandez been able to read his opponent, Mayweather’s undefeated record would have ended right then and there.

TIRED OF THE PACQUIAO/ARUM/FILIPINO BULL SHIT!

There have been a plethora of reasons bantered about as to why Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao have yet to fight. First of all, and this fact, so I don’t want hear the Pacland crybaby’s countering the factual record. The fight had been agreed to in late 2009, early 2010. Manny Pacquiao demanded that Floyd Mayweather forfeit either a million or ten million dollars for every pound he came in over 147. Floyd had struggled before failing in making the contracted 143 lbs. with Juan Manuel Marquez. In case you forgot, as the once great Roy Jones used to say, JMM never won a single minute of the 36 he fought with Mayweather. It wasn’t the life and death struggle Pacquiao had with JMM, especially the last one when trainer Freddie Roach told him before the final round, “You need a knockout to win.”

NEGOTIATING CAME TO AN END AFTER PACQUIAO PUNKED OUT ON DRUG TESTS!

After accepting Manny’s demands during negotiations regarding paying a bundle of dollars for anything over 147 lbs, Floyd said that he wanted Pacquiao to submit to Olympic Drug Testing, proposing the World Anti Doping Association (WADA) administer the tests. This is where the fight set for March 13, 2010 fell apart. Pacquiao, who has been accused, suspected, call it what you want, of using Performance Enhancing Drugs such as Steroids, EPO and Insulin to name just three, Manny “refused” the WADA testing and he went on to fight Joshua “Handcuffed” Clottey, while Floyd faced a fading Shane Mosley.

MAYWEATHER IS JUST THE SUPERIOR FIGHTER!

If you think the above “sub title” lacks merit, ask Juan Manuel Marquez, for he couldn’t hit Floyd Mayweather in the ass if he had a tennis racket in his hand! And yes, this is the same guy that the majority of pundits felt beat Manny Pacquiao last November, apparently so did trainer Freddie Roach, I know conditioning coach Alex Ariza who left Pacquiao in the middle his current training camp, using words describing Pacquiao as “exposed” and the like, felt the same.

MANNY PACQUIAO WILL NEVER FIGHT FLOYD MAYWEATHER PERIOD!

The game of boxing, be it the result of the blatantly wrong decisions, the failure of the best fighting the best, or the ascension of the Ultimate Fighting Championships and their leaving boxing in the rear view window of popularity, the game of professional boxing is hurting badly! That being said, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather may not have stopped the UFC in it’s tracks, it would have put boxing on the front page of newspapers, websites and magazines globally. Lastly, I’m going to question the balls of Manny Pacquiao, for they seem to be the size of a hamster, for it was he who said in January that he, “Would fight Floyd Mayweather May 5, but Floyd’s going to jail.” Three days later, Clark County officials stated Mayweather would not have to report for his period of incarceration until June.

MANNY PACQUIAO BECAME MARCEL MARCEAU

When the announcement was made that Mayweather would be available for May 5, Pacquiao was not to be heard from for weeks. Not even his shills in the Filipino press could get Manny to respond. It was like the Pacman had become a mime. About three weeks later, the disingenuous admitted Felon, I’m talking about promoter Bob Arum, stated that Manny, because of a cut suffered in November would not be ready to fight until June. If you can’t smell the bullshit at this point, you have no ability to smell! Pacquaio instead signs to fight another Top Rank fighter in Tim “Three Handed” Bradley.

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THIS!

Manny Pacquiao is simply no match for Floyd Mayweather! Be it hand speed, size and reach, boxing ability, ring generalship, defense, Pacquiao might be able to hit harder than Floyd, but that doesn’t make this fight competitive! Floyd Mayweather has already pled guilty to Domestic Violence. Should he fight Manny Pacquiao, the Clark County District Attorney should charge him again. For up to this point, Manny Pacquiao has acted like a girl afraid of an abusive spouse!

Pedro Fernandez

COMMENTS

  1. Pedro, your an idiot. Manny has never run from Mayweather. Now, with that said, he proably should after his last fight. If he had fought Mayweather that night he would had lost just like he did then. They have both run from the biggest fight ( $$$$$ ) in history. Maywether is headed to county jail where he belongs. Manny is headed to the gutter of political life where be belongs. Both of them are two of the greatest fighters ever and, unfortunately, are headed down the road of mediocrity way to many great champions end up. The road of egotistical suicide, what a shame.

    jeff gibson on April 24th, 2012 at 10:05 PM
  2. Oh, Peter, Peter, Peter! You’re like a broken record. Stop obssesing over the little Pinoy. Shouldn’t you be writing articles on your boring ass Andre Ward? Or dry-humping MMA?

    Danny on April 24th, 2012 at 10:10 PM
  3. Danny, you did not discount me realazation of “punk ass” Manny Pacquiao, thank you!

    Pedro Fernandez on April 24th, 2012 at 10:16 PM
  4. Pedro, highly agree with you, that Pacquiao vs Mayweather will never happen!

    Ron Wong on April 24th, 2012 at 10:57 PM
  5. Realization?

    Danny on April 25th, 2012 at 12:05 AM
  6. Anybody with a brain knows that Manny is a gimmick created by top rank. His fights are scripted ,that’s why he only fights top rank opponents. All top rank fighters are instructed to let Manny (the cash cow) win. The only one who was signed to top rank, that didn’t follow the script, but tried to win was Marquez, and that’s why he’s not fighting him for the 4th time. Even though arum said they would right after the 3rd fight, Bob ain’t stupid, Marquez fooled him into thinking he would follow top ranks protocol and lose, but instead he excepted the 5 mil. And tried to beat the cash cow. Bob’s not going to take a chance like that again. So up next is Bradley, who’s signed to top rank and will get 4- 5 mil to take a lost. If you don’t believe me, watch how he’ll fight, like he’s been instructed not to hit the cash cow back.

    dc on April 25th, 2012 at 12:38 AM
  7. I’m pretty sure that Manny wouldn’t win more than a few rounds VS Floyd. But Pedro, you better hope Manny doesn’t win, or you’ll never hear the end of it, lol

    Martin on April 25th, 2012 at 1:52 AM
  8. People dislike Floyd because he talks shit and avoids the toughest fighters out there. Be real. Let’s look at this dude for what he is. He is a figment of his own public relations, if you scream about being the best in the game for long enough, the idiots who don’t know shit about the fight game will believe it. Floyd fights the biggest names with the least chance to beat him; Here are Floyd’s last 6 fights(Baldomir, ODLH, Hatton, JMM, Mosley, and Ortiz) and I dare anyone to tell me that he accomplished anything fighting these bums! Just like Cotto who is SHOT. Cotto has a name, but he hasn’t beaten a top fighter since Mosley (look at the last 5 bums he fought after Marg KO’d him). Now back to Floyd; Hatton was a true 140 pounder with a suspect chin (see the Hatton Collazo fight that he almost go KO’d in), Ortiz made his name by beating another B level fighter Berto (a creation of Al Haymon who has been spoon fed bums for years – I knew he was an average fighter when Collazo almost knocked his ass out also), beat a washed up Mosley, won a split decision against ODLH who was done, beat JMM who was two divisions under him, and beat a bum in Baldomir. WTF is that for a resume at 147? You talk about Pac fighting bums, WTF is this? Floyd is also disliked because he talks out of both sides of his mouht; he said Hatton called him out so he had to fight him, well Sergio called him out at 150 and you haven’t heard Floyd say shit, you know why, because he knows Sergio is a real test for him and he is so scared to lose the zero. Another thing about the Zero; it doesn’t mean shit if you are not fighting the top guys in your division or above, in their prime. Where was the Pwill fight when he was in his prime, where was the Margarito fight before he started to slide, where was the Cotto fight before he fell off. What astute boxing fans will notice is that most of the other top welters have mixed it up except Floyd. Hell, how many people mention Joe Calzhage as the greatest fighter to ever lace them up? He retired undefeated at 49 – 0. Nobody, you know why, because he resume lacks top fighters in their prime (Hopkins was 43 or something and Roy was done). So the zero doesn’t mean shit if the competition was suspect. Floyd is not an all-time great fighter, he is a great fighter in this era. He wouldn’t have held a stinkin belt if he fought with Leonard, Hearns, Duran and the rest of them; he probably would have found a way to avoid those fights until they got old anyway. With that said, I do think Floyd would beat Pac, but let’s be real on both sides. Floyd has avoided more fighters at 147 than he has fought, and when he does fight them they are old and done(Mosley, Cotto, etc), or moving up in weight (Hatton, JMM). Now what?

    Jrock09 on April 25th, 2012 at 4:24 AM
  9. “Floyd Mayweather has already pled guilty to Domestic Violence. Should he fight Manny Pacquiao, the Clark County District Attorney should charge him again. For up to this point, Manny Pacquiao has acted like a girl afraid of an abusive spouse!”
    Pedro, I can always count on you for some choice quotes. As always, nice job.

    Cheesey1 on April 25th, 2012 at 7:53 AM
  10. You are right, there will be no Manny-Mayweather fight. Floyd said so himself Monday. Look up his quotes. He says no way 50-50 happens, just another way to kill the fight. Pathetic if you ask me. Manny should agree to everything AGAIN and watch the little coward squirm out of it.

    Richard on April 25th, 2012 at 8:32 AM
  11. I don’t want either of them to fight.

    I just want to see both of them inevitably declare bankruptcy…and they will.
    Gambling, entourages, taxes and boxing earnings that will soon end will ensure it happens.

    Phil on April 25th, 2012 at 8:39 AM
  12. Also to assume PBF smokes pacman because Floyd handled Marquez is asinine. Styles make fights I would favor PBF but I can’t say for sure how that fight goes. First off if Judah can outsides Floyd and hit him only to lose because he gasses, I have to believe a left handed pacman who’s speed is more than comparable to floyds can tag him. If Castillo can presure the hell out of Floyd I can’t help but think pacman who throws 1000 punches a fight can presure him. Also you and I both know that shoulder roll defense doesn’t work against southpaws. Styles make fights so Forman beat Frazier and norton so he beats Ali?? We can’t say for sure what happens that’s why we play the games. If everything was a forgone conclusion why bother to play???

    Roberto Rios on April 25th, 2012 at 9:47 AM
  13. Rios, it won’t be competitive. Every fighter I’ve had my show in recent months say the same.You never boxed, won or had to defend titles, thus you are nothing but a Pac fan with an agenda. Read Alex Ariza’s quotes on Manny, maybe that will jolt you with some reality! Foreman lost to Ali because of stubborness and stamina issues, Poor example to put forth.

    Pedro Fernandez on April 25th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
  14. We won’t ever know if Floyd can beat Manny because the fight will never happen, not until Arum dies or until Floyd is either broke, or loses a fight first. Remember Hopkins and Jones and the rematch. Both fighters were too stubborn to come to an agreement but once Jones wasn’t relevant anymore and needed a payday and dance partner him and Hopkins fought when the fight wasn’t relevant anymore. Thats when I see this bout taking place, when neither guy is relevant anymore.

    KP on April 25th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
  15. Yea I’ve fought and trained boxing. I’ve been involved in combat sports since I was 12. So I think I know my way around a ring and or cage. It’s like u said every fighter you’ve TALKED to said that but the magic word is talk!! Roberto Duran beat Ray Leonard Ray beat Tommy Roberto beats Tommy?? Come on man ur a smart guy and been in the buisness long enough to have heard and know styles make fights?? And I’m no pactard u above all know this.

    Roberto Rios on April 25th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
  16. R RIOS

    Look, I don’t like you much. And seeing I run this site that’s my prerogative. If you willing to put $1,000, we can come to a written agreement. I will be stealing your money if you bet Manny. Austin Trout, Chad Dawson, Robert Guerrero, Hall of Fame promoter Don Chargin, I can go on and on, Pac doesn’t have a chance. Just between Chargin and I we have 90+ years of boxing under our belt.

    And seeing you never won any championships, was never ranked nationally, regionally, and most likely locally, being a gym rat doesn’t do much for your credibility sir. I guess you failed to read Alex Ariza’s comments from yesterday where he admits, “Pac was exposed in his last three fights, especially JMM III,” he said. But your selective reasoning or unwillingness to absorb the opinion of Ariza shows you lack certain things when it comes to objectivity! Respectfully annoyed with you for a long time. Maybe you should take your act somewhere else as I’m not the only one that has voiced the opinion you should go. Why stay somewhere you’re not wanted!

    Pedro Fernandez on April 25th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
  17. The only issue I have with Mayweather is his insistence that he belongs in the company of Ray Robinson when he is actually little more than Naseem Hamed with a lot more talent and a lot less pride. Both were businessmen and both pulled big numbers while avoiding the very best opposition… The big difference here is that Hamed had PRIDE. He got tired of the BS and hand picked Barrera over the vehement objections of his brother / manager Raith

    … Mayweather doesn’t give a fat frog’s ass what anyone thinks, he was in this for the money all along and NOTHING ELSE… And he can’t do a damn thing to change this anymore, even if he beats Pacquiao, he will have beaten yet another past prime fighter who was smaller.

    Floyd will go down as a better fighter than Neseem, no doubt… But Naseem will go down as the one of them who actually had the balls to take the Big Swing.

    Mayweather has stuck his neck out one time since 2001. He called a radio show and got his head handed to him by RA The Rugged Man. That is the biggest swing May has taken since Corrales and for THIS, he is insistent that people like me think of him like people like Ray Robinson… That is what I don’t like.

    Jack Dunne on April 25th, 2012 at 5:54 PM
  18. And frankly, if Manny has acted like a woman afraid of an abusive spouse… May has acted like the school yard bully who turned his tail every time someone his own size walked toward him.

    Any way you slice this, Manny or May at fault… It is a JOKE and an public exercise in greed on both their parts that should make the average person sick to their stomach and moreover, spend their money on the UFC.

    Jack Dunne on April 25th, 2012 at 6:16 PM
  19. And Pedro… There is nothing smart about running Roberto Rios. If you are in the business of running guys you don’t agree with, you may as well run me because we don’t agree on a lot of things either. That, or if you don’t want to hear the other side, just shut down the comment board.

    Jack Dunne on April 25th, 2012 at 6:49 PM
  20. Exposed in his last three fights?last time i check boxrec,pac won all those 3 fights and his opponents on survival mode!LOL

    roberto on April 25th, 2012 at 9:44 PM
  21. Manny pac man’s next three opponents 1) Timothy – take a dive- Bradley, 2) Brandon – I’ve been exposed- Rios, 3) Mike – I’m only in here to make Manny look credible – Jones . And what do they all have in common- TOP RANK FIGHTERS, just like the last 5 opponents of Mannys’. Wake up people, Bob is playing y’all for suckers. None of them went into the fight to win, but one and they robbed him last November. Atleast Floyd’s opponents all come to win and be the first to put a dent in his unblemished record. How people can’t see this pac man scam for what it is, is beyond me.

    dc on April 25th, 2012 at 10:52 PM
  22. F***, ROBERTO, READ ALEX ARIZA’S QUOTES, I DIDN’T SAY IT. BUT YOUR TOO SIMPLE TO REALIZE THE DIFFERENCE?

    Pedro Fernandez on April 25th, 2012 at 11:33 PM
  23. You don’t read his raw comments Jack, if you did you’d blow a gasket! I’m not going to take four letter attacks and publish them. I’m not going to post the “N” word or anything of the same vein. Real easy for you to sit there and try and moderate this board when you’re not seeing the whole picture!

    Pedro Fernandez on April 25th, 2012 at 11:42 PM
  24. Hi Pedro,
    I thought this was a discussion about Floyd Mayweather Jr. Why is Manny Pacquiao and his shortcomings the main subject. It seems you now have a multitude of Pacquiao hater followers. I have a feeling even after Pacquiao will have retired you will continue to relentlessly attack his legacy in boxing for whatever that is

    WALRUS on April 26th, 2012 at 3:08 AM
  25. Hey Pedro. How come my last post is still awaiting moderation? Here it is again if you didn’t get it. Thanks.

    People dislike Floyd because he talks shit and avoids the toughest fighters out there. Be real. Let’s look at this dude for what he is. He is a figment of his own public relations, if you scream about being the best in the game for long enough, the idiots who don’t know shit about the fight game will believe it. Floyd fights the biggest names with the least chance to beat him; Here are Floyd’s last 6 fights(Baldomir, ODLH, Hatton, JMM, Mosley, and Ortiz) and I dare anyone to tell me that he accomplished anything fighting these bums! Just like Cotto who is SHOT. Cotto has a name, but he hasn’t beaten a top fighter since Mosley (look at the last 5 bums he fought after Marg KO’d him). Now back to Floyd; Hatton was a true 140 pounder with a suspect chin (see the Hatton Collazo fight that he almost go KO’d in), Ortiz made his name by beating another B level fighter Berto (a creation of Al Haymon who has been spoon fed bums for years – I knew he was an average fighter when Collazo almost knocked his ass out also), beat a washed up Mosley, won a split decision against ODLH who was done, beat JMM who was two divisions under him, and beat a bum in Baldomir. WTF is that for a resume at 147? You talk about Pac fighting bums, WTF is this? Floyd is also disliked because he talks out of both sides of his mouht; he said Hatton called him out so he had to fight him, well Sergio called him out at 150 and you haven’t heard Floyd say shit, you know why, because he knows Sergio is a real test for him and he is so scared to lose the zero. Another thing about the Zero; it doesn’t mean shit if you are not fighting the top guys in your division or above, in their prime. Where was the Pwill fight when he was in his prime, where was the Margarito fight before he started to slide, where was the Cotto fight before he fell off. What astute boxing fans will notice is that most of the other top welters have mixed it up except Floyd. Hell, how many people mention Joe Calzhage as the greatest fighter to ever lace them up? He retired undefeated at 49 – 0. Nobody, you know why, because he resume lacks top fighters in their prime (Hopkins was 43 or something and Roy was done). So the zero doesn’t mean shit if the competition was suspect. Floyd is not an all-time great fighter, he is a great fighter in this era. He wouldn’t have held a stinkin belt if he fought with Leonard, Hearns, Duran and the rest of them; he probably would have found a way to avoid those fights until they got old anyway. With that said, I do think Floyd would beat Pac, but let’s be real on both sides. Floyd has avoided more fighters at 147 than he has fought, and when he does fight them they are old and done(Mosley, Cotto, etc), or moving up in weight (Hatton, JMM). Now what?

    Jrock09 on April 26th, 2012 at 4:12 AM
  26. I think FMJ is a very good fighter but I find it odd that all of a sudden he wants to take on the biggest challenges out there. Where was he when Cotto was undefeated Paul Williams was undefeated and Margarito was looking like a beast? That’s right retired! He was done with boxing and he had no love for it and yada yada yada. Once Cotto, Williams, Margarito and Mosley weren’t the same and had taken serious beatings all of a sudden he has this love for the game which I have never seen from him. The fact that he wants to put his name there with Sugar Ray Robinson is a joke. Look at his resume and actually analyze the fights he had and when and who those fights were against it’s weak! Who has he ever really beaten? The biggest win in his career is De La Hoya and he was past his prime and now we come to find out he was probably drunk and coked out of his mind and though I think he won the fight clearly it wasn’t a dominant performance. He was and still is all about money so he can claim he is the fighter that made the most money ever good for him but don’t claim to be the greatest ever! People with real boxing knowledge who actually follow the sport know better!

    TT on April 26th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
  27. Pedro,

    I’ve been a board moderator… I know the drill.

    If he is doing what you say, it shouldn’t even hit your board much less have you wasting your time cleaning it up or addressing it… And YES, if what you describe is what is happening. How you deal with it is EASY.

    Jack Dunne on April 26th, 2012 at 7:06 PM
  28. @ft and jrock, do you really want to compare opponents fought? Floyd’s record compared to manny’s ,Floyd’s is better. Fighting better opponents, I also say Floyd. And this is why. Maany fought Marquez 3 times and has yet to beat him in the eyes of te public. He fought a weight drained delahoya , a shot Hatton, a shot Morales after tandem beat him, but didn’t fnietheeem, he fought Diaz, when nate Campbell was the real champ at 135lbs. He fought cotto when Mosley was the real champ at welterweight , he fought Margarito for 154 lbs title at the catchweight of 150lbs, and neither was ranked at that weight class. What does all this mean? He’s a scam, a manufactured champion, brought to the dumb, blind fans of his by TOP RANK

    dc on April 26th, 2012 at 11:08 PM
  29. Tandem, was supposed to say raheem ( dang spell check)

    dc on April 26th, 2012 at 11:11 PM
  30. Now lets look at Floyd’s opponents. 130lb title, beat a legend Hernandez, 135lb title I actually thought he lost this fight, but took the rematch and beat Castillo more soundly. 140lb title beat gatti ,who everyone thought was going to be too strong for Floyd. Tsyzu. Had just lost to Hatton and arum said cotto was too green ( not ready) for Floyd. Besides they were ringside witnessing the beating he gave to gatti and wanted no part of it.147lbs beat zab, then went and beat baldimir the recognized champ at 147lbs ( he beat zab first), then he fought delahoya for 154lb title, no catch weight, then Hatton ( who was undefeated) , took 2 ears off, came back fought marquez , I thought Marquez was a little small, but he showed the world what he could do to the man who has given Manny hell. .then. fought the man recognize as the real welterweight champ ( Mosley) , beat him. He then fought a young , hungry fighter coming off the biggest win of his career, ( Ortiz), he tried to.cheat, he went to sleep. And now he’s fighting cotto for his title at his natural weight ( no catch weights in none of his fights). Now you tell me who had the better opponents?

    dc on April 26th, 2012 at 11:42 PM
  31. of all the stuff you said, by far the silliest comment of all, is saying the fight isn’t going to happen. This match up has taken a life of its own– its a storm that’s been brewing for a long time now— its way too big not to happen. The powers that be involved with these two fighters have played the greatest puppets master game ever. Ya’ll sit around pointing fingers at each side while these great promoters on each side sit back and giggle as thoughts of the record numbers this event will end up racking in. They win again. And anyone that’s been around the sport more than a couple months should no better. How many fights on this level, this huge, this talked about… how many didn’t happen? The fight happening is the biggest no brainier of all. All the none sense in between is just adding more to the bottom line— and that my friends is the bottom line to this tired topic,

    Wilhelm on April 27th, 2012 at 12:25 AM
  32. dc: you talk about pac fighting shot fighters, what do you think Gatti was by the time Floyd fought him? Gatti lost to Baldomir and Alfonso Gomez after! Do I need to explain further? You know how bad Cotto made Gomez look right after, with margacheato lookin like a plasterized beast bombin on the heavy handed cintron on the same card?? That was around the time of retirement, no?Floyds best wins imo were against Castillo and Corrales, both undefeated at the time and the top dogs. Floyd cleaned out the ligtweights with the exception of the cagey Casamayor. You talk about Pac fighting weightdrained fighters, what about corrales vs mayweather? lol . at least Cotto and De la cross dresser weren’t on their way to jail! time to ‘discontinue’ the nonsense!

    1200 Techs on April 27th, 2012 at 12:35 AM
  33. People who don’t watch boxing just plain dislike th Mayweather. Guys like Cotto, Pac, people look the otherway, even when they pipe other broads (how many of these bastards do) cause their not in your ear telling you how their the Greatest and meaning to be offensive and disrespectful, all the while openly saying how money ‘rules’ everything. He BRINGS negativity to HIMSELF. Yeah, might be sly as a fox, but nevertheless, I see a very insecure, classless punk that talks a lot of trash. Im pretty sure his douche baggery is part of the conning the public to wanting to see him lose, driving up sales. But why act clueless as to why he is hated on?

    1200 Techs on April 27th, 2012 at 12:44 AM
  34. 1200, you lost your integrity when you brought up Gomez, that was Gatti’s retirement fight. When u talk shit and you’re wrong,, you lose credibility!

    Pedro Fernandez on April 27th, 2012 at 12:54 AM
  35. @dc: Gatti was exactly what Floyd called him, a C level fighter. Just because someone has exciting fights (Gatti vs Ward) doesn’t mean they are a good fighter, as in the case of two C level fighters that are evenly matched. Gatti was DONE when he fought Floyd, plain and simple. I agree that both fighters have fought some suspect opponents, but Floyd has only fought 2 great fighters in their prime; Corrales and Hernandez. Don’t knock Pac for fighting JMM 3 times, he didn’t have to fight him at all. Styles make fights and JMM will give Pac trouble if they met 100 times. Also notice how Floyd took 2 years off while all the big names fought each other (Pwill, Margarito and the like). Then he comes back and cherry picks opponents. Hatton at 147 was a joke, he almost got beheaded by Collazo in his first attempt at 147 even though he got the victory. At least Pac fought him at his natural weight at 140. Ortiz is a B level fighter that beat another B level fighter in Berto, why people thought he was such a challenge was beyond me after he quit at 140 against Maidona. Do you really think Cotto has anything left in the tank? He is SHOT. It doesn’t matter what weight he fights him at because he is done. Here are Cotto’s last 6 fights after the Margarito beat down and tell me who he has beaten? Michael Jennings – a bum, Clottey – who he went life and death with and almost lost, Pac – who destroyed him, Yuri Foreman – another bum, Mayorga – another washed up bum, Margarito – another shot fighter who got the brakes beat out of him by Mosley and Pac. Floyd is the master of illusion and smoke and mirrors. He hasn’t fought one credible fighter at 147. I gave you his last few fights on my previous post. At least Pac fought JMM 3 times, Morales 3 times, Barerra 2 times and they were fighting at their correct weights. All three HOF fighters at or around their prime (except the last Morales fight, and the last JMM fight). And by the way, if JMM was so superior to Pac don’t you think he would have gotten at least one clear cut victory in three tries. He sounds like a little bitch, I want to keep playing until I win. He had 3 shots and has not won convincingly enough to get even one victory. With that being said, you do have some good points on Pac’s opponents. I just think that the overall body of work by Pac is better than Floyd because he dared to step in the ring with better and bigger foes. And that is all Floyd’s fault because he had so many contemporary fighters that he could have fought in their prime and he never did (Pwill, Margarito, Mosley – in his prime). Oh, yeah; how come Floyd hasn’t said a peep about Sergio? You know why, because he doesn’t want to challenge himself against the best. Hell, Sergio said he would come in at 150. A legacy is made by what happens inside the ring, not by ducking top fighters. I’m from Philly and I grew up fighting in the PAL and I was good (23-1), and my friends and I always talk about how if Floyd lived in our hood he would have been called a bitch because he talks so much trash and then ducks the tough opponents. That’s like beating up the toughest 5th. grader when you’re in 8th. grade. To be great, it must be proven in the ring against top fighters in their prime, fighting in your weight class, and above (not below).

    Jrock09 on April 27th, 2012 at 5:05 AM
  36. Pedro: You’re right, it was Gatti’s retirement fight. I forgot that. The point was Gatti was past it when he fought floyd. Gatti was the underdog when he fought floyd, so i have no idea where dc thought that gatti would be too strong for floyd.

    1200 Techs on April 27th, 2012 at 7:02 AM
  37. @Jrock09,

    Spot on except for one point. Genaro Hernandez wasn’t in-prime; he was 32-33? And it was the last time he ever laced up gloves.

    Jack Dunne on April 27th, 2012 at 6:46 PM
  38. @ft and jrock, when Floyd fought gatti that’s what the talk was, that gatti.was the bigger man and would be to strong for Floyd, especially since gatti had improved under buddy mcgirt training. How in the world could you not mention that Manny last two fighs with Morales, Morales was shot, he was coming off a lost to raheem, and typical Manny he fought the loser, not raheem. And berera fights were a joke ( except the first one) , oh don’t forget Dave Diaz, another joke, he didn’t fight the real lightweight champ at that time , nate Campbell. I’m what you would call a boxing fanatic , so when you debate me have your facts straight. Now, I have two questions for the pac man fans , why does Manny only fight top rank fighters?, and with the exception of Marquez, how come those top rank fighters act like they don’t want to hit Manny back. Just look at fights, cotto stop jabbing, after winning the first 2 rounds easily, clottey- didn’t fight back, mosley- ran, margarito- had Manny hurt with a body shot against the ropes, but didn’t press the attack. I hope some one can answer those questions

    dc on April 27th, 2012 at 8:59 PM
  39. I was there and remember nothing of the sort de.

    Pedro Fernandez on April 27th, 2012 at 10:46 PM
  40. @dc: The only idiots that believed Gatti had a shot against Floyd were people who didn’t know didly about the fight game. If a C level fighter improves (I guess you call a little head movement improving), what would give any sensible boxing fan the idea that he could now beat a great fighter. And I agree that Pac did not fight Nate Campbell and chose Diaz, it was his first fight at 135 and he was testing the waters to see if he could deal at that weight. The reason that many of the fighters stop punching after a few rounds with Pac is because they are now open to get hit by the faster fighter; Cotto got dropped the first time and knew he couldn’t take the power and speed of Pac, Mosley got dropped and said that he was hurt and he retreated, Clottey didn’t fight back because that is his M.O. (see the Cotto vs. Clottey fight when he stopped punching when he could have won the fight, and he didn’t punch at Pac because he was leaving himself open; he was in survival mode, Margarito was getting the breaks beat off him by Pac and every time he tried to open up he got out speeded and out punched 3 to 1. The truth is that those guys were over matched, they didn’t throw the fight, they didn’t have the tools and skills to win the fight. When Margarito hurt Pac he did try to press the issue but continued to absorb a hell of a beating. Once Pac broke his orbital bone with that uppercut, the fight was basically over at that point. I like Pac, but I do believe Floyd has the tools to beat him at this stage of the game and he probably would; but Pac has the balls to at least get in the ring with challenging opponents. Hey dc, do you really believe that Cotto has a chance to beat Floyd?

    Jrock09 on April 28th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
  41. @dc
    cotto stops jabbing manny after the first 2 rounds cause pac put on the pressure starting rd. 3, when pac knocks him down in the 3rd cotto began to fight cautiously, oh he did try to mix it up with pac in rd. 4, and u saw what happened. If ur in cotto’s place that night, i guess u would fight defensively after tasting pac’s power.

    dondon on April 28th, 2012 at 11:10 PM
  42. @Pedro,

    I’m hoping you would not ban roberto rios…..or did you ban him already?

    dondon on April 28th, 2012 at 11:40 PM
  43. I don’t think I did, sir. R Rios, we think it’s an alias for Gilberto Roman!

    Pedro Fernandez on April 29th, 2012 at 12:55 AM
  44. Remember, this was a weakened Cotto who Pac & Arum made fight at 145. Floyd called him out and is fighting him at the champ’s weight of 154. See any difference here, besides 9 pounds?

    Pedro Fernandez on April 29th, 2012 at 12:56 AM
  45. The Gatti fight was as close to a set up as you could get… I’m not going to call Gatti a C level fighter, to me that is insulting and C level fighters don’t win titles and don’t win 40 fights; especially with the scalps he had on his resume… That being said, it is fair to say he wasn’t an A level fighter. He had no defense to speak of and even Angel Manfredy’s hand-speed (which was around typical) gave him trouble as Angel routinely beat him to the punch.

    When Angel fought Mayweaather, the hand-speed advantage was so incredible that Angel was forced to abandon his jab in under a minutes time. Every time Angel stuck it out there, May hit him over the top before he could reel it back in (something Angel did much better than Gatti)… Gatti was a dead man against Mayweather. The hand-speed advantage assured this. THIS ended up being how the fight played out. Everyone knew this and I am unaware of ANY objective person (or fringe lunatic) who said otherwise.

    Jack Dunne on April 29th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
  46. @Jack Dunne; Excellent post Jack. You are right, Gatti was not a C level fighter, but his skills had diminished by this point in time from the wear and tear, and age.

    Jrock09 on April 30th, 2012 at 4:34 AM
  47. Arturo Gatti would routinely blow up to around 190 lbs and was more than just a little bit of a Hell-Raiser. Making weight killed him his entire career. It was common to see him start gulping massive amounts of water after weigh-ins the second after he got the readings because he didn’t want to have to do it twice…lol

    All this and seemingly every single fight he was in ended up looking like a Prison War… Micky Ward’s nick-name for Arturo was ‘Jason’ (after the Friday the 13th Movies) because as he said “You just can’t friggin’ kill the guy!” He was cut so many times over the eyes that he had an arthroscopic procedure done to make him less susceptible to cuts… And on and on and on.

    If you have ever heard Ray Mancini talk about his career. Ray knew that his style would result in a short career and it did. Ray was effectively finished by age 25. He had a couple of fights much later on (they just can’t walk away, they are addicts). Ray’s career was ROUGH and he did the right thing. Arturo’s was MUCH WORSE and he went another decade?!!!

    I look back on it now and HOW this guy ended up fighting until age 35 – Is some damn miracle! And in the end… What forced him out of the sport wasn’t the fact that he had been ‘Waffled’ more times than batter in an EGGO Factory. It was because he couldn’t make 140 and he couldn’t compete at 147… If the guy could make 140, he may have actually kept fighting on.

    You are a pretty sharp guy. I think your posts are damn good.

    Jack Dunne on April 30th, 2012 at 6:01 PM

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